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"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
Cashman part of round table discussion
Yankees GM was one of the featured speakers on unique pane
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080105&content_id=2340090&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
Cashman-"I live in Connecticut," Cashman said. "It's not a far drive. I was asked if I would be interested in coming up and spending a little time here. So it was a lay-up. I hope everyone had a good time
"Mostly, especially in our big markets, you get challenged on the short-term stuff so much you can make a mistake if you get caught up in the winds of the pressure of making a [trade]," Cashman told the audience.
"Like right now, the Red Sox and Yankees, at least, are in the middle of this Johan Santana stuff. What's the right thing for the now? What's the right thing for the future? These are the wrestling matches that go on in the organizations and you have very spirited conversations about what's right and what's wrong."
Cashman said he still believes in a strong and productive farm system.
"At the end of the day, if you have an opportunity to build something and be a leader in that situation, you stick to it. It's your way and you find a way to stick to it, despite the media pressures, the ownership pressures, the fans' pressures and realize, 'You know what? I believe in what I'm doing and I'll stick to it as long as you give me the opportunity and then get judged on the results at the end of the day.'"
Everybody has their own style," Cashman said of the Steinbrenners. "And Hank has obviously taken charge on behalf of his father, along with his brother, Hal. They have different styles. Hal is more quiet and Hank is very available, but my job is to continue to line up the structure of the organization that can find the amateur talent."
On the eve of Clemens' interview on "60 Minutes," Cashman offered his perspective on what to expect from baseball going forward from the Mitchell Report.
"All of it's difficult," he said. "There's no doubt about that. It is what it is. The Mitchell Report came out and there was some shocking information that was in there, and now we're seeing it play out after the fact and what you have to do, unfortunately, is sit back and watch it unfold."
Peter Gammons said Cashman is weathering yet another storm in New York.
"Brian Cashman faced a lot because the Mitchell Report was so based on basically two sources, both out of New York. There were a lot of New York names in there," Gammons told reporters. "I think the more we have to deal with Clemens and Bonds under oath, it takes away [from baseball]."
Cashman told the hundreds of fans in attendance and media afterward that the most successful general managers stick to a game plan, in good times and bad.
"You're not going to always be right, but in the end you have to stick to your convictions and then you get judged on the results in the end, for better or for worse," he told the audience.
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Keep Your Enemies Close
By Mr. Mafioso
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If you have an enemy...One that's in your circle of association, wouldn't it be better and more efficient to just disassociate yourself from that person as opposed to making things more complicated by keeping in contact with them while masquerading your intentions? I think the theory is more appropriate in a business setting or competitive environment, but to apply that approach in with someone whom you once considered a friend or associate may be a little unnecessary.
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the term by Sun szu is a figurative term, a general term..
By Mr. Mafioso
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Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Everyone knows the saying, everyone likes to say it thinking they're Al Pacino, and almost everyone doesn't know what it really means. I say almost everyone because all the wise guys from Vegas to Rochester know that not knowing its meaning can result in a nice screwing where the sun don't shine. Catch my drift?
Keeping your enemies close doesn't eliminate the problem of having enemies in the first place (and if you're sitting there smiling like a clown thinking you don't have enemies because you're such a sweet guy, I've got news for you -- if you don't have enemies, it's because no one thinks you're significant enough to worry about). Any man with direction in his life will have enemies, but keeping them close can prevent an unexpected strike. It doesn't take Einstein to figure out that the toughest and most destructive blow comes when it's unexpected.
who is your enemy?
So before you keep close tabs on certain people, figure out who qualifies to be on your exclusive enemy list. If I were summing it up for a moron (are you listening Vincenzo?), I'd tell him that an enemy is anyone who doesn't support him.
It can be a friend, business partner or even family. An enemy is anyone who will give you the evil eye or who has even entertained the idea of how much fun it would be to put a voodoo curse on your head.
The more powerful you become, the bigger the list of nemeses because you become a bigger target or opponent for someone else, whether it's the suit in the cubicle next to you or a rival captain in your famiglia. It's a Catch-22 of success: The more successful you are, the more people there will be lining up with baseball bats earmarked for your head, and the harder you'll fall if you don't keep track of what your enemies are up to.
And take it from someone with experience: Just about everyone is a potential enemy or backstabber. In fact, the guy with the biggest smile and the largest slap on your back is usually the one with the sharpest knife.
why keep him close?
Now, let's be realistic. We can't all keep our enemies close. I don't see George W. Bush and Saddam Hussein having Sunday brunch together, no matter how much Bushie (that's what they call him in Washington) wants to know everything about Saddam, including how many hairs he has spurting out of his nose.
But most enemies (especially the ones that cause the most damage) come from your inner circle, so you can easily keep your eye on these guys. It's important that you don't break the lines of communication with them (I'm sounding like a freakin' sex therapist).
Keep tabs on your enemies. Staying in touch, talking with them (even briefly) and reading their body language are some of the ways you can get a sense of the cafones' true intentions. Any information is potential ammo for me.
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If you have an enemy...One that's in your circle of association, wouldn't it be better and more efficient to just disassociate yourself from that person as opposed to making things more complicated by keeping in contact with them while masquerading your intentions? I think the theory is more appropriate in a business setting or competitive environment, but to apply that approach in with someone whom you once considered a friend or associate may be a little unnecessary.
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the term by Sun szu is a figurative term, a general term..
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Hot stove...ish
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/01/hot_stoveish.html
Email|Link By Amalie Benjamin, Globe Staff January 5, 2008 06:27 PM
It might have been a Hot Stove, Cool Music event, to benefit Theo Epstein's Foundation to Be Named Later, but there wasn't much hot stove talk going on at Fenway Park this afternoon. Granted, due to tampering rules, the general managers present weren't about to mention their trade plans, but they stuck mostly to safer topics.
Epstein, along with general managers Brian Cashman (Yankees) and J.P. Ricciardi (Blue Jays), agent Scott Boras, and reporter Peter Gammons, answered questions before a packed room at the State Street Pavilion at Fenway Park this afternoon.
But as for any upcoming trades? There wasn't a whole lot of news.
"We don't have a lot new to report," Epstein said, after a Hot Stove, Cool Music roundtable fundraiser that benefitted his Foundation to Be Named Later. "It's been a pretty slow holiday break. We've been back at work for about a week, but it seems like a lot of the industry is still out on vacation probably until Monday. We'll see how things develop."
Epstein then headed off to the Paradise where he was expected to take the stage with some of the acts from tomorrow night's main benefit concert for Hot Stove, Cool Music. Tomorrow's event is virtually sold out, though Epstein did indicate that, for a big enough donation, he was sure another ticket could be procured.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/01/hot_stoveish.html
Email|Link By Amalie Benjamin, Globe Staff January 5, 2008 06:27 PM
It might have been a Hot Stove, Cool Music event, to benefit Theo Epstein's Foundation to Be Named Later, but there wasn't much hot stove talk going on at Fenway Park this afternoon. Granted, due to tampering rules, the general managers present weren't about to mention their trade plans, but they stuck mostly to safer topics.
Epstein, along with general managers Brian Cashman (Yankees) and J.P. Ricciardi (Blue Jays), agent Scott Boras, and reporter Peter Gammons, answered questions before a packed room at the State Street Pavilion at Fenway Park this afternoon.
But as for any upcoming trades? There wasn't a whole lot of news.
"We don't have a lot new to report," Epstein said, after a Hot Stove, Cool Music roundtable fundraiser that benefitted his Foundation to Be Named Later. "It's been a pretty slow holiday break. We've been back at work for about a week, but it seems like a lot of the industry is still out on vacation probably until Monday. We'll see how things develop."
Epstein then headed off to the Paradise where he was expected to take the stage with some of the acts from tomorrow night's main benefit concert for Hot Stove, Cool Music. Tomorrow's event is virtually sold out, though Epstein did indicate that, for a big enough donation, he was sure another ticket could be procured.
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QUOTE(Munson @ Jan 5 2008, 03:00 PM) *
If this is the case, is it an offer the Twins will accept? I'm assuming that it's Hughes, Melky, and maybe Marquez and Tabata/Jackson?
If there's one good thing for the Yankees about Hank constantly talking it's that it muddies the waters for anyone trying to get a fix on what the organization is thinking/ doing. Of course perhaps just silence would do that as well, but that doesn't look like a real option. The report that the Twins asking price has come down (so as not to include Kennedy) would seem to conflict with what we have heard regarding their talks with the Mets (i.e. the Twins are still demanding Jose Reyes). I have a very hard time seeing the Twins accept less than 4 players with the offer the Sox have on the table.
In the world according to Hank, whether this deal takes place is up to the Yankees. This must come as news to the Twins who turned down the Yankees last best offer about a month ago.
Is there anybody, outside of Hank Steinbrenner himself, who thinks that Hank's boss-like pronouncements might help position the Yankees better in negotiations with the Twins?
Well, there is quite a decent size bunch of Yankee fans who somehow have deluded themselves into believing so.
Other than that, no.
If this is the case, is it an offer the Twins will accept? I'm assuming that it's Hughes, Melky, and maybe Marquez and Tabata/Jackson?
If there's one good thing for the Yankees about Hank constantly talking it's that it muddies the waters for anyone trying to get a fix on what the organization is thinking/ doing. Of course perhaps just silence would do that as well, but that doesn't look like a real option. The report that the Twins asking price has come down (so as not to include Kennedy) would seem to conflict with what we have heard regarding their talks with the Mets (i.e. the Twins are still demanding Jose Reyes). I have a very hard time seeing the Twins accept less than 4 players with the offer the Sox have on the table.
In the world according to Hank, whether this deal takes place is up to the Yankees. This must come as news to the Twins who turned down the Yankees last best offer about a month ago.
Is there anybody, outside of Hank Steinbrenner himself, who thinks that Hank's boss-like pronouncements might help position the Yankees better in negotiations with the Twins?
Well, there is quite a decent size bunch of Yankee fans who somehow have deluded themselves into believing so.
Other than that, no.
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"Nothing is really decided at this point. I’m still leaning towards doing it. There’s others leaning not to do it. There are some others that are leaning to do it also. Disagreements within the organization. Nothing major, but just different opinions. I’ve changed my opinion a couple times.”
If this is the case, is it an offer the Twins will accept? I'm assuming that it's Hughes, Melky, and maybe Marquez and Tabata/Jackson?
If there's one good thing for the Yankees about Hank constantly talking it's that it muddies the waters for anyone trying to get a fix on what the organization is thinking/ doing. Of course perhaps just silence would do that as well, but that doesn't look like a real option. The report that the Twins asking price has come down (so as not to include Kennedy) would seem to conflict with what we have heard regarding their talks with the Mets (i.e. the Twins are still demanding Jose Reyes). I have a very hard time seeing the Twins accept less than 4 players with the offer the Sox have on the table.
"Nothing is really decided at this point. I’m still leaning towards doing it. There’s others leaning not to do it. There are some others that are leaning to do it also. Disagreements within the organization. Nothing major, but just different opinions. I’ve changed my opinion a couple times.”
If this is the case, is it an offer the Twins will accept? I'm assuming that it's Hughes, Melky, and maybe Marquez and Tabata/Jackson?
If there's one good thing for the Yankees about Hank constantly talking it's that it muddies the waters for anyone trying to get a fix on what the organization is thinking/ doing. Of course perhaps just silence would do that as well, but that doesn't look like a real option. The report that the Twins asking price has come down (so as not to include Kennedy) would seem to conflict with what we have heard regarding their talks with the Mets (i.e. the Twins are still demanding Jose Reyes). I have a very hard time seeing the Twins accept less than 4 players with the offer the Sox have on the table.
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"At the end of the day, if you have an opportunity to build something and be a leader in that situation (I rebuilt this farm system in 2 years after getting control bitch image), you stick to it. It's your way and you find a way to stick to it (Torpedo Hank's bogus winter meeting deadline & no Matsui Trade image), despite the media pressures, the ownership pressures, the fans' pressures and realize, 'You know what? I believe in what I'm doing and I'll stick to it as long as you give me the opportunity and then get judged on the results at the end of the day.''
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Hal is more quiet and Hank is very available image but my job is to continue to line up the structure of the organization that can find the amateur talent."
^^^^ Seems to me Cash money wanted a platform to clearly get his viewpoint out to big boss Hank & the national media on where he stands.
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Hal is more quiet and Hank is very available image but my job is to continue to line up the structure of the organization that can find the amateur talent."
^^^^ Seems to me Cash money wanted a platform to clearly get his viewpoint out to big boss Hank & the national media on where he stands.
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wow Cashman is a tiny little sprout compared to Theo
still Theo wishes he possesed the Kung Fu- like ninja GM skills of Cashmoney
still Theo wishes he possesed the Kung Fu- like ninja GM skills of Cashmoney
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Cashman: My job has changed
1. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Not good at all. If I had to choose between Cashman or Hank. I’d take Cash everytime.
2. Chuck January 5th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Cashman is facing the wrong way. Who was on his shirt? ;-)
3. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
And, Pete. This is not what I had in mind when I requested a new thread to pick up the mood.
4. jay destro January 5th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
i wish i could have been there, what a great event this must have been
5. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Chuck,
It was a sequined George Steinbrenner tee.
6. Matthew Cohen January 5th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
wow - interesting that Cash spoke out like that.
He usually plays things pretty close to the vest.
7. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
So it sounds like the Yanks could be trading Hughes, Melky, Marquez, another player plus Cashman for Johan. Maybe acquiring Johan id the deciding factor for Cashman to leave under his own terms. As I asked yesterday, where could Cashman end up should he decide to move on?
8. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Mel-
Pretty, pretty funny once again.
9. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Would take Cash over Steinnies at the moment.
Meanwhile, I still can’t believe I was such an idiot…
10. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
I would pay big bucks to see George or Hal slap hank upside the head.
11. Motown Yankees Fan January 5th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Is that Cashman’s way of saying: “don’t blame me when they trade Hughes for Santana”?
12. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
mel: I’m guessing George has done that once or twice back in the heyday….
13. Blargh January 5th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
And recorded
And uploaded to YouTube
Possibly with a snippet of Springsteen for background music
14. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
I only think the soxs are in the Johan thing to try and drive up who the Yankees have to give up. They have enough starters, just as we do. I also think it is insane to give a 5-6 year deal to a pitcher.
15. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
And I really think that this will finally be the straw that brakes the camels back, espically if they insist on trading away the kids (something Cash has worked very hard at). I think this is Cash’s last year with us.
16. Say it ain't so January 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Interesting/strange stuff from Newsday…
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spclemens0106,0,5082256.story
Imagine that conversation?
17. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
How tall is Theo, or should I say how short is Cash?
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/05/cashman-my-job-has-changed/#comments
Brian Cashman made an appearance at Fenway Park today for the annual Hot Stove/Cool Music Roundtable. It’s a fundraiser for Theo Epstein’s charitable foundation.
For the first time in public, Cashman admitted what has become increasingly evident: That his job has changed since the Steinbrenner sons took control of the team.
“Things have changed here in the third year,” he said. “I’m learning as I go along, too. But it is different. But one thing is that I’ve been with this family, the Steinbrenner family, for well over 20 years. So I’m focused fully on doing everything I possibly can to assist them in their emergence now as decision makers.”
Cashman’s contract runs out in October. Asked whether he wanted to return, he didn’t answer directly.
“Because of all the work that gets involved with doing the job, it kind of prevents me from really looking ahead past this year,” he said. “I’m just doing everything I possibly can to assist the transition with the new manager, the new owners, with the involvement now with the Steinbrenner sons. And then the rest will take care of itself at another time.”
Cashman nearly left the Yankees after the 2005 season before agreeing to a three-year deal that included widespread control over baseball decisions. It’s clear that Cashman’s power has eroded since Hank and Hal Steinbrenner came to power. At the moment, there is an internal struggle over whether to pursue Johan Santana.
“Right now, the Red Sox and Yankees, at least, are in the middle of this Johan Santana stuff,” Cashman said. “What’s the right thing for the now? What’s the right thing for the future? These are the wrestling matches that go on in the organizations and you have very spirited conversations about what’s right and what’s wrong.”
Cashman and Epstein were joined by Toronto GM J.P. Ricciardi, agent Scott Boras and Red Sox analyst Bill James. That’s an impressive group.
1. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Not good at all. If I had to choose between Cashman or Hank. I’d take Cash everytime.
2. Chuck January 5th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Cashman is facing the wrong way. Who was on his shirt? ;-)
3. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
And, Pete. This is not what I had in mind when I requested a new thread to pick up the mood.
4. jay destro January 5th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
i wish i could have been there, what a great event this must have been
5. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Chuck,
It was a sequined George Steinbrenner tee.
6. Matthew Cohen January 5th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
wow - interesting that Cash spoke out like that.
He usually plays things pretty close to the vest.
7. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
So it sounds like the Yanks could be trading Hughes, Melky, Marquez, another player plus Cashman for Johan. Maybe acquiring Johan id the deciding factor for Cashman to leave under his own terms. As I asked yesterday, where could Cashman end up should he decide to move on?
8. Buddy Biancalana January 5th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Mel-
Pretty, pretty funny once again.
9. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Would take Cash over Steinnies at the moment.
Meanwhile, I still can’t believe I was such an idiot…
10. mel-I'm psyched! How about you? January 5th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
I would pay big bucks to see George or Hal slap hank upside the head.
11. Motown Yankees Fan January 5th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Is that Cashman’s way of saying: “don’t blame me when they trade Hughes for Santana”?
12. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Save the Three Musketeers! January 5th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
mel: I’m guessing George has done that once or twice back in the heyday….
13. Blargh January 5th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
And recorded
And uploaded to YouTube
Possibly with a snippet of Springsteen for background music
14. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
I only think the soxs are in the Johan thing to try and drive up who the Yankees have to give up. They have enough starters, just as we do. I also think it is insane to give a 5-6 year deal to a pitcher.
15. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
And I really think that this will finally be the straw that brakes the camels back, espically if they insist on trading away the kids (something Cash has worked very hard at). I think this is Cash’s last year with us.
16. Say it ain't so January 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Interesting/strange stuff from Newsday…
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spclemens0106,0,5082256.story
Imagine that conversation?
17. Jennifer - Save Phil Hughes! January 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
How tall is Theo, or should I say how short is Cash?
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cashman and hank are on different pages right now. i wouldnt be surprised to see hank pull the trigger for santana and cashman walk away from this team. honestly, i wouldnt really mind it going down like that. it just seems like cashman is more worried about the legacy he has then the team winning championships in the immediate future for the fans.
stick michael said he'd make the trade for hughes. he knows his stuff. hughes is one pitcher out of many that we have. if we can get santana to sign something like a 5 year extension then i say do it. if its 6-7 year ext. that is required then i say hold on to hughes.
if santana comes to the yankees and is an ace for the next 4 years, then i see this team winning 2-3 world series in the next 4 years.
stick michael said he'd make the trade for hughes. he knows his stuff. hughes is one pitcher out of many that we have. if we can get santana to sign something like a 5 year extension then i say do it. if its 6-7 year ext. that is required then i say hold on to hughes.
if santana comes to the yankees and is an ace for the next 4 years, then i see this team winning 2-3 world series in the next 4 years.
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Interesting, it would not shock me if Mcnamee came out and said he was mistaken about Roger using roids, and states it was lidocane and b-12.
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Former Trenton Thunder Manager Bill Masse and Former Yankee Shane Spencer hire by Padres
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/transactions
Named Bill Masse manager of San Antonio of the Texas League (AA), Shane Spencer hitting coach of Lake Elsinore of the California League (A) and Darrell Sherman hitting coach of Eugene of the Northwest League (A).
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Jets - Team has more than $27 million in salary cap space
The Bergen Record reports the New York Jets have more than $27 million in salary cap space for 2008.
Nothing Sperm hasn't already told us but what do you think we should do with the money. (No, we can't use it to buy Asian strippers or Vietnamese prostitues...I checked)
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The Bergen Record reports the New York Jets have more than $27 million in salary cap space for 2008.
Nothing Sperm hasn't already told us but what do you think we should do with the money. (No, we can't use it to buy Asian strippers or Vietnamese prostitues...I checked)
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From an ESPN chat today with Joe Schad re Laurinitis:
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Joe Schad: I spoke with James about this in Orlando at the ESPN/Home Depot College Football Awards Show. He is contending that he wants to convince all of his teammates to come back ie Malcom Jenkins and Vernon Gholston and Marcus Freeman to come back as a group. But he knows it would be hard to pass up the deal if he's a Top 10 projection. He did telll he would love to play LB for the Patriots. He's tight with Mike Vrabel. And they would use a young backer to add to the mix.
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Joe Schad: I spoke with James about this in Orlando at the ESPN/Home Depot College Football Awards Show. He is contending that he wants to convince all of his teammates to come back ie Malcom Jenkins and Vernon Gholston and Marcus Freeman to come back as a group. But he knows it would be hard to pass up the deal if he's a Top 10 projection. He did telll he would love to play LB for the Patriots. He's tight with Mike Vrabel. And they would use a young backer to add to the mix.
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From NYFS
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Anyone else feeling this way?
Trade Reyes and others for Santana = Santana blows his arm out on opening day, Reyes is AL MVP.
Gomez, F Mart, Heilman, Pelfrey and Humber = Santana's arm falls off in year two, Heilman becomes elite closer, Pelfrey thru Gomez sparkle.
Omar sticks to reasonable package, Yankee's swoop in at 11th hour, trade whomever for him...they're busts and Santana wins 5 Cy Youngs in pinstripes.
johnnypark wrote:
I can see it now:
From ESPN Home Video: The Bronx Is Burning...The Return!, starring Michael Madsen as Hank Steinbrenner and Steve Buscemi as Brian Cashman. Own it on DVD now!
Spoiler: Brian Chasman gets killed in the movie Very Happy
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yanks27 wrote: Come one Hal, win this one!
If he does though, it would be a bad precedent for future deals. We would be like any other team run by CPA's.
I don't want to trade the farm, but I do like that George wants to win more than make a profit like the Lorias of the world.
Did you see the deals Hal approved to Arod, Rivera & Posada?
He's clearly willing to have a 200M-210M payroll, which seems to be the Yankees ceiling since they passed on a player they really wanted in Beltran when they were already over 200M that year.
They are also about to free up 80M, so if they are more efficient with their spending of that money even with a potential lower cieling of 175-185M, there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
I think what happened was Hank miscalculated the ramifications of the extra millions per year he gave to Arod, Rivera & Posada, didnt factor in the 23M tax bill and the 3-5M in arbitration that both Wang & Cano will get...
It all adds up big boy!
The Yankees are not about to clear up 80 Million off payroll as far as the LUXURY TAX goes. Luxury tax is figured using the players AVERAGE salary.
If he does though, it would be a bad precedent for future deals. We would be like any other team run by CPA's.
I don't want to trade the farm, but I do like that George wants to win more than make a profit like the Lorias of the world.
Did you see the deals Hal approved to Arod, Rivera & Posada?
He's clearly willing to have a 200M-210M payroll, which seems to be the Yankees ceiling since they passed on a player they really wanted in Beltran when they were already over 200M that year.
They are also about to free up 80M, so if they are more efficient with their spending of that money even with a potential lower cieling of 175-185M, there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
I think what happened was Hank miscalculated the ramifications of the extra millions per year he gave to Arod, Rivera & Posada, didnt factor in the 23M tax bill and the 3-5M in arbitration that both Wang & Cano will get...
It all adds up big boy!
The Yankees are not about to clear up 80 Million off payroll as far as the LUXURY TAX goes. Luxury tax is figured using the players AVERAGE salary.
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Movie Review: Thai Horror The Victim
Written by Iloz Zoc
Published September 30, 2007
See also:
» Lost Classic: The Steven Banks Home Entertainment Center
» DVD Review: Funny Face - 50th Anniversary Edition
» Making the Rounds at General Hospital - Legal Twists
"Maybe you can reenact the mystery?" said Lawn Gisland. He stretched his unusually long legs out in front of him and yawned. "Like Ting, 'cept less'n the melodrama a mite." He pulled at his cookie duster. "Say, Zoc, squeeze me 'nother one of those cappurinos, por favor."
"Sure pardner," I said, firing up the old cappuccino steam engine. The sound of pent-up steam escaping echoed through the cinematorium.
Zombos continued to look high and low for his eyeglasses, holding up our viewing of the Thai horror film, The Victim. We were halfway through it before Zombos needed to hit the toilet; three large mocha cappuccinos were a record for him. When he came back he realized he misplaced his second pair of eyes.
Lawn stood up, all six feet and three inches of him, and joined the search. Having starred in numerous Westerns on the big screen during the thirties and forties, he and Zombos went way back together. He hung up his spurs in the late fifties and retired to Florida to wrestle gators for the tourists. Getting bored with that, he had an itch and scratched it by touring as a circus cowboy, doing trick shooting and fancy riding. He was visiting the mansion while the Smith and Walloo Brothers three-in-one tent show set up in Long Island. For a man his age, he didn't show it. Zombos often joked that Lawn must have a decrepit-looking portrait in his attic like Dorian Gray.
"Here. Wet your whistle while you search." I handed the cappuccino to him. He downed it in three gulps. Something crunched sharply under his right Black Jack Hornback Alligator boot heel as he handed me his empty mug. Zombos froze, his eyes widened.
"Found them," said Lawn. He stooped to pick up them up and handed the mangled pair back to Zombos.
After I hastily retrieved Zombos' second pair of eyeglasses from the library we continued our viewing of The Victim.
Thevictim00Considering Thailand's strong superstitions about ghostly phenomena, it's a wonder Ghost Hunters Jason and Grant haven't visited that country yet. In The Victim, spirits are everywhere, especially as the sprightly aspiring actor Ting (Pitchanart Sakakorn) goes around reenacting the victim's part in real-life crime scene recreations — places where bad karma is rife.
One spirit in particular piques her interest, and challenges her acting skills to the fullest as she reenacts the circumstances surrounding the disappearance and death of Meen, a former Miss Thailand. It soon appears that Ting is losing herself as she prepares for the reenactment of the crime, succumbing to violent flashbacks involving Meen, and disturbing, sometimes bloody, visitations by earthbound ghosts looking for help or vengeance.
The ghostly imagery in The Victim, directed by Monthon Arayangkoon, moves between poetically eerie glimpses of a genuinely unnerving twilight world filled with pitiable and vengeful spirits at arm's reach, and the usual shocks we are now accustomed to. The pacing slowly moves the story along, and the interplay of bright colors across light and dark scenes, contrasting with darker-toned scenes earlier in the film, provides visual cuing for the sudden story-within-the-story transition. Just when you think you know what's going on, bingo!, you scramble for the remote to go back and see if you missed something.
In an unusual move for Thai horror, Arayangkoon pulls the rug out from under Ting, Meen, and the whole criminal scene investigation storyline by beginning a new storyline, creating a story you thought was "real" within the real story. While The Victim starts out as a ghost story, it morphs into a "who's the ghost?" story, and even then, not satisfied with changing Ting's role completely, and the principal ghost involved, the reasons for all the vengeful havoc befalling Ting and others is revealed to be entirely different from what it seemed to be.
The Victim is an ambitious, more complex film than usually comes out of T-Horror cinema, and it can be confusing, especially with the little-helpful English subtitles that fail to capture the nuances of the Thai language; but it's still a pleasantly surprising departure from the usually straightforward horror fare we've come to expect from Asia. The cultural oddity, for us, with Thai police reenacting crime scenes using actors and the alleged criminal to provide the press with a photo op, and perhaps the spirits of victims with a modicum of peace, separates us from the business as usual horror shown in American cinema, and puts us off-balance immediately.
Drawing strength from its cultural perspectives, the film draws on real crimes, and was shot on the actual locations where victims met their violent denouement. Building on this unpleasant reality, the film's artificial reality has an earnest sense of its supernatural underpinnings. The carefully accentuated coloration of these locations, Ting's flashbacks, and the ghostly phenomena that befall unsuspecting victims, create stark contrasts against each other, especially the later scenes, using a carefully wrought palette that is artfully above the over-used, blanched fluorescent lighting simplicity seen in Saw, Dark Corners, and other American hard horror endeavors.
With the revelation of the second story, entering on the heels of a revealed lesbian relationship, the film becomes a who's next? more than a whodunit?, and characters are powerless against a malevolent spirit that neither a traditional Thai spirit house or magic-bestowing tattoo inked with a bamboo needle will appease or avert. In one notable scene, framed through a narrow doorway, a pair of ghostly hands, at the ends of stretching ... stretching ... stretching arms, reach out to grab one unsuspecting victim.
Watch this film late at night, when all is quiet and the world is right, and you just may find yourself checking to see if the front door is locked. Again, and again. Just remember that doors don't stop ghosts, especially when you're alone and in the dark.
Written by Iloz Zoc
Published September 30, 2007
See also:
» Lost Classic: The Steven Banks Home Entertainment Center
» DVD Review: Funny Face - 50th Anniversary Edition
» Making the Rounds at General Hospital - Legal Twists
"Maybe you can reenact the mystery?" said Lawn Gisland. He stretched his unusually long legs out in front of him and yawned. "Like Ting, 'cept less'n the melodrama a mite." He pulled at his cookie duster. "Say, Zoc, squeeze me 'nother one of those cappurinos, por favor."
"Sure pardner," I said, firing up the old cappuccino steam engine. The sound of pent-up steam escaping echoed through the cinematorium.
Zombos continued to look high and low for his eyeglasses, holding up our viewing of the Thai horror film, The Victim. We were halfway through it before Zombos needed to hit the toilet; three large mocha cappuccinos were a record for him. When he came back he realized he misplaced his second pair of eyes.
Lawn stood up, all six feet and three inches of him, and joined the search. Having starred in numerous Westerns on the big screen during the thirties and forties, he and Zombos went way back together. He hung up his spurs in the late fifties and retired to Florida to wrestle gators for the tourists. Getting bored with that, he had an itch and scratched it by touring as a circus cowboy, doing trick shooting and fancy riding. He was visiting the mansion while the Smith and Walloo Brothers three-in-one tent show set up in Long Island. For a man his age, he didn't show it. Zombos often joked that Lawn must have a decrepit-looking portrait in his attic like Dorian Gray.
"Here. Wet your whistle while you search." I handed the cappuccino to him. He downed it in three gulps. Something crunched sharply under his right Black Jack Hornback Alligator boot heel as he handed me his empty mug. Zombos froze, his eyes widened.
"Found them," said Lawn. He stooped to pick up them up and handed the mangled pair back to Zombos.
After I hastily retrieved Zombos' second pair of eyeglasses from the library we continued our viewing of The Victim.
Thevictim00Considering Thailand's strong superstitions about ghostly phenomena, it's a wonder Ghost Hunters Jason and Grant haven't visited that country yet. In The Victim, spirits are everywhere, especially as the sprightly aspiring actor Ting (Pitchanart Sakakorn) goes around reenacting the victim's part in real-life crime scene recreations — places where bad karma is rife.
One spirit in particular piques her interest, and challenges her acting skills to the fullest as she reenacts the circumstances surrounding the disappearance and death of Meen, a former Miss Thailand. It soon appears that Ting is losing herself as she prepares for the reenactment of the crime, succumbing to violent flashbacks involving Meen, and disturbing, sometimes bloody, visitations by earthbound ghosts looking for help or vengeance.
The ghostly imagery in The Victim, directed by Monthon Arayangkoon, moves between poetically eerie glimpses of a genuinely unnerving twilight world filled with pitiable and vengeful spirits at arm's reach, and the usual shocks we are now accustomed to. The pacing slowly moves the story along, and the interplay of bright colors across light and dark scenes, contrasting with darker-toned scenes earlier in the film, provides visual cuing for the sudden story-within-the-story transition. Just when you think you know what's going on, bingo!, you scramble for the remote to go back and see if you missed something.
In an unusual move for Thai horror, Arayangkoon pulls the rug out from under Ting, Meen, and the whole criminal scene investigation storyline by beginning a new storyline, creating a story you thought was "real" within the real story. While The Victim starts out as a ghost story, it morphs into a "who's the ghost?" story, and even then, not satisfied with changing Ting's role completely, and the principal ghost involved, the reasons for all the vengeful havoc befalling Ting and others is revealed to be entirely different from what it seemed to be.
The Victim is an ambitious, more complex film than usually comes out of T-Horror cinema, and it can be confusing, especially with the little-helpful English subtitles that fail to capture the nuances of the Thai language; but it's still a pleasantly surprising departure from the usually straightforward horror fare we've come to expect from Asia. The cultural oddity, for us, with Thai police reenacting crime scenes using actors and the alleged criminal to provide the press with a photo op, and perhaps the spirits of victims with a modicum of peace, separates us from the business as usual horror shown in American cinema, and puts us off-balance immediately.
Drawing strength from its cultural perspectives, the film draws on real crimes, and was shot on the actual locations where victims met their violent denouement. Building on this unpleasant reality, the film's artificial reality has an earnest sense of its supernatural underpinnings. The carefully accentuated coloration of these locations, Ting's flashbacks, and the ghostly phenomena that befall unsuspecting victims, create stark contrasts against each other, especially the later scenes, using a carefully wrought palette that is artfully above the over-used, blanched fluorescent lighting simplicity seen in Saw, Dark Corners, and other American hard horror endeavors.
With the revelation of the second story, entering on the heels of a revealed lesbian relationship, the film becomes a who's next? more than a whodunit?, and characters are powerless against a malevolent spirit that neither a traditional Thai spirit house or magic-bestowing tattoo inked with a bamboo needle will appease or avert. In one notable scene, framed through a narrow doorway, a pair of ghostly hands, at the ends of stretching ... stretching ... stretching arms, reach out to grab one unsuspecting victim.
Watch this film late at night, when all is quiet and the world is right, and you just may find yourself checking to see if the front door is locked. Again, and again. Just remember that doors don't stop ghosts, especially when you're alone and in the dark.
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CASHMAN FOCUSED ON DOING JOB, NOT KEEPING IT
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January 6, 2008 -- What, me worry? That has been Brian Cashman's modus operandi for most of his tenure as Yankees general manager, and that attitude hasn't changed as he heads into the final season of the three-year, $5.4 million contract he signed late in 2005.
At Fenway Park yesterday to attend a fundraiser for the Foundation to be Named Later, which Red Sox GM Theo Epstein started, Cashman said he isn't concerned with his job security.
"Because of all the work that gets involved with doing the job, it kind of prevents me from really looking ahead past this year," Cashman told the Associated Press. "I'm just doing everything I possibly can to assist the transition with the new manager, the new owners, with the involvement now with the Steinbrenner sons. And then the rest will take care of itself at another time."
A day earlier, Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner indicated that Cashman, who has had final say on baseball matters for the last two seasons, would be consulted as the team considers a push to land Twins ace Johan Santana, but that the final decision on pursuing a trade would rest with ownership.
Though Cashman's opinion is valued, it's clear the new sheriffs in town are Hank and Hal Steinbrenner, a fact Cashman acknowledged yesterday.
"Things have changed here in the third year," Cashman said. "I'm learning as I go along, too. But it is different. But one thing is that I've been with this family, the Steinbrenner family, for well over 20 years. So I'm focused fully on doing everything I possibly can to assist them in their emergence now as decision makers."
Goose Gossage has accepted an invitation from manager Joe Girardi to serve as a spring training instructor. Gossage, who is awaiting Tuesday's Hall of Fame announcement, told The Post yesterday he hopes Joba Chamberlain remains in the bullpen, setting up Mariano Rivera, instead of moving into the starting rotation as has been proposed.
"It's like what they said about [Jonathan] Papelbon last year," Gossage said, referring to the Red Sox closer who was considered for the team's starting rotation. "I laughed. I said, 'What, are you crazy?' He is not half as valuable to you in the rotation as he is to you coming out of that bullpen, and I feel the same way about Chamberlain.
"I can't believe the Yankees even made the playoffs last year, and they wouldn't have if it wasn't for Chamberlain stepping in at the 11th hour and doing the job he did getting to Mariano. I think it shows right there how valuable this kid is in that situation."
In an interview with the AP, Gossage sounded upbeat about the impending election after falling short eight times.
"I came into situations that God couldn't get out of, and I got out of them," he said. "I'm not blowing my own horn, but this is just fact. Nobody did it like me."
Only four pitchers who were primarily relievers have been given baseball's highest honor: Hoyt Wilhelm (1985), Rollie Fingers (1992), Dennis Eckersley (2004) and Bruce Sutter (2006).
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January 6, 2008 -- What, me worry? That has been Brian Cashman's modus operandi for most of his tenure as Yankees general manager, and that attitude hasn't changed as he heads into the final season of the three-year, $5.4 million contract he signed late in 2005.
At Fenway Park yesterday to attend a fundraiser for the Foundation to be Named Later, which Red Sox GM Theo Epstein started, Cashman said he isn't concerned with his job security.
"Because of all the work that gets involved with doing the job, it kind of prevents me from really looking ahead past this year," Cashman told the Associated Press. "I'm just doing everything I possibly can to assist the transition with the new manager, the new owners, with the involvement now with the Steinbrenner sons. And then the rest will take care of itself at another time."
A day earlier, Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner indicated that Cashman, who has had final say on baseball matters for the last two seasons, would be consulted as the team considers a push to land Twins ace Johan Santana, but that the final decision on pursuing a trade would rest with ownership.
Though Cashman's opinion is valued, it's clear the new sheriffs in town are Hank and Hal Steinbrenner, a fact Cashman acknowledged yesterday.
"Things have changed here in the third year," Cashman said. "I'm learning as I go along, too. But it is different. But one thing is that I've been with this family, the Steinbrenner family, for well over 20 years. So I'm focused fully on doing everything I possibly can to assist them in their emergence now as decision makers."
Goose Gossage has accepted an invitation from manager Joe Girardi to serve as a spring training instructor. Gossage, who is awaiting Tuesday's Hall of Fame announcement, told The Post yesterday he hopes Joba Chamberlain remains in the bullpen, setting up Mariano Rivera, instead of moving into the starting rotation as has been proposed.
"It's like what they said about [Jonathan] Papelbon last year," Gossage said, referring to the Red Sox closer who was considered for the team's starting rotation. "I laughed. I said, 'What, are you crazy?' He is not half as valuable to you in the rotation as he is to you coming out of that bullpen, and I feel the same way about Chamberlain.
"I can't believe the Yankees even made the playoffs last year, and they wouldn't have if it wasn't for Chamberlain stepping in at the 11th hour and doing the job he did getting to Mariano. I think it shows right there how valuable this kid is in that situation."
In an interview with the AP, Gossage sounded upbeat about the impending election after falling short eight times.
"I came into situations that God couldn't get out of, and I got out of them," he said. "I'm not blowing my own horn, but this is just fact. Nobody did it like me."
Only four pitchers who were primarily relievers have been given baseball's highest honor: Hoyt Wilhelm (1985), Rollie Fingers (1992), Dennis Eckersley (2004) and Bruce Sutter (2006).
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Brian Cashman: Three written in for pen
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DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
BY ANTHONY McCARRON
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
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Sunday, January 6th 2008, 4:00 AM
By Brian Cashman's estimation, only three relievers are assured of slots in the Yankee bullpen - Mariano Rivera, Kyle Farnsworth and LaTroy Hawkins. The rest of the pen, Cashman says, is likely to come from the team's pool of young pitchers, who offer the Yanks more affordable options than the relievers remaining on the free agent market.
"The pen is a work in progress," Cashman said. "We'll have a lot of competition in spring training. As long as you have quality competing for those spots, that's good. We have guys with a lot of potential. If they're ready now or later, we'll have to see.
"For the most part, we like the talent we have against the market at the prices the market is demanding."
Cashman said prized prospects such as Jeff Marquez and Alan Horne might be in the bullpen mix, along with Ross Ohlendorf, Edwar Ramirez, Jose Veras, Steven White, Jeff Karstens, Brian Bruney, Chris Britton and Jonathan Albaladejo. Lefties Kei Igawa, Sean Henn and Chase Wright will vie for pen spots, Cashman said.
Joba Chamberlain still projects as a starter but one bullpen slot likely will be taken by either Ian Kennedy or Mike Mussina, depending on who wins the fifth spot in the rotation. Roles could change quickly if the Yankees trade for Johan Santana.
The Yanks are leery of signing middle relievers to multiyear contracts - they signed Hawkins for one year - in a winter where relievers have been getting three and four years for around $4 million per season.
"We've engaged the market," Cashman said. "We'll look at trades, free agents, as always. But right now, what we have is what is going to be competing in spring training."
The Yankees also are unlikely to look outside the organization for help at first base, Cashman said. "We have (Jason) Giambi, Shelley (Duncan) and Wilson Betemit and (Juan) Miranda is coming off a terrific Double-A season," Cashman said.
Miranda, 24, batted .265 with a .350 on-base percentage and .471 slugging percentage in 122 minor-league games last season, 55 in Double-A. He had 16 homers and 96 RBI.
TRABER IN: The Yankees signed lefty Billy Traber to a minor-league contract, according to Baseball America's Web site. Traber, the Mets' No. 1 pick (16th overall) in 2000, was 2-2 with a 4.76 ERA in 28 games for the Nationals last season. The Yankees also signed righty Scott Strickland, lefty Heath Phillips and catcher Jason Brown, according to BA. ... Former Yankee Andy Phillips signed a minor-league contract with the Reds. Phillips batted .292 with two homers and 25 RBI in 61 games for the Yanks last season. ... Righty Matt DeSalvo, who was 1-3 in seven games (six starts) for the Yanks last season, signed with the Br
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D Marek Malik reacted angrily to learning two hours before game time that he would be scratched. Malik stormed out of the locker room, donned his overcoat and headed out of the building. He returned just before the opening faceoff. . . . Shanahan returned after sitting out Thursday night's game at Vancouver because of muscle spasms in his neck. He had a scary center-ice collision with Edmonton's Dustin Penner 9:01 into the third period on which he said he suffered a bruised knee. After writhing on the ice, Shanahan attempted to walk it off in the hallway between the benches and then took a brief skate before heading to the dressing room. Shanahan was hobbled the rest of the game, but was scheduled to go forth in the shootout. . . . The Rangers said Straka suffered a stinger after slamming into the backboards 1:10 into overtime.
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Save opportunity for Young
National will mentor troubled OF Dukes
Email|Print| Text size – + By Nick Cafardo
January 6, 2008
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/01/06/save_opportunity_for_young/?page=1
Dmitri Young doesn't wear a big "S" across his chest and he's not trying to save mankind. He just wants to give something back in the hopes that he can save someone, much like someone saved him.
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He'll be a mentor to the troubled Elijah Dukes, the former Tampa Bay outfielder who was dealt to Washington during the winter meetings. Nationals general manager Jim Bowden came to Young before consummating the deal to ask whether he could lend a hand. Young, who rebounded from drug and alcohol addiction and a near-death experience with diabetes to hit .320 last season, was very agreeable.
"I love being in this role," said Young, a 12-year veteran and .290 career hitter. "This is what makes my life meaningful. If I can get to Elijah and make him realize that he can get his life straight, be a role model for every young, underprivileged black kid in the city who has no hope, then I've given back.
"So far he's been very receptive. Once spring training comes along, I'll have eight months with him. I'll be around him all the time. He'll see my face every day. I'll go to dinner with him, we'll spend time at the ballpark together. Maybe he'll get sick of me, but I'm going to be there."
Dukes, 23, has a long rap sheet.
His ex-wife obtained a pair of restraining orders against him. He's had domestic abuse charges filed against him. There's a recording of Dukes threatening to kill her and their children. The Rays, who felt they had tried everything with Dukes, were thrilled when they got the Nationals to take him off their hands. Playing in Tampa, where he grew up, was the worst thing for him.
Bowden took the chance because he had Young and special assistant Barry Larkin, who had mentored Young with the Reds years ago. If Young succeeds, Dukes has a chance to be an impressive ballplayer, one whom some believe has 30-30 or even 40-40 ability.
"When you're divorced and you can't see your kids, there's nothing worse than that," said Young. "Your kids are the greatest thing that comes from you. They are a part of you. When you can't be a part of their lives, it makes you crazy.
"He needs to manage his life better, maybe take some advice from someone who has been there and did a lot of wrong things but got himself straight. Sometimes they listen to someone like me. I've been at rock bottom and I picked myself back up. If he can see that I did it, then maybe it will give him the strength to do it, too.
"I'd be cheating baseball if I didn't try to give something back and try to teach the kids that come up the things that I learned the hard way.
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Young thinks it's a productive first step to have Dukes with Larkin. It's all positive reinforcement for a young man who saw his father convicted of murder when he was 11 and had a mother with a drug problem.
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"The fact that Barry is down there with him is very comforting because I know the kind of man Barry is and what he will say to Elijah," Young said. "Elijah needs to be around strong, upstanding people who can teach him the right way from the wrong way.
"When you've grown up like he has - absolutely the worst upbringing you can imagine - you have no bearings in your life. All the things you should have learned about right and wrong when you were a kid that you didn't learn or didn't have someone there to teach you, you have to go through that again."
Young mentions his brother, American League Rookie of the Year runner-up Delmon Young, who was traded by the Rays to the Twins.
"In Tampa, they just didn't have the veteran leadership that young guys could turn to," he said. "The guy who's been there the longest is Carl Crawford, who is a great player and a great guy, but he's 25 or 26 years old. Delmon didn't have that guidance on a daily basis, either."
Young said the guy who "got me back on my feet" was former Reds and Orioles outfielder Jeffrey Hammonds, but he also credits Larkin, Ken Griffey Jr., Ray Lankford, and Royce Clayton, among others, with at least being there for him. He looks at Dukes and sees someone who can be saved.
"I don't think it has to be tough love or anything like that," Young said. "I can be his big brother. I can show how much I care about him and how much other people care about him. I can teach him how to react. I can keep him focused on his job and his children and forget about all the rest of the stuff that's gone on in his past."
He has no idea how it will end up, and he has no miracle cure. He can't save mankind all at once, but he'll start with Elijah Dukes.
The Great Debate
A matter of substance
Do you believe Roger Clemens when he says he was injected with lidocaine and Vitamin B-12, and not steroids? We asked Hall of Famer Wade Boggs, who is a friend of Brian McNamee, another former Clemens teammate, Mike Boddicker, plus Keith Law, senior baseball analyst for ESPN Scouts Inc.
Boggs: "Brian was a good friend when I played with the Yankees. I have never known him to be anything but trustworthy. He's never lied to me and I never associated him with steroids or anything like that. It's an absolute shame that work ethic would come into question. The one thing I'll say through all of this is, as far as I can tell, only one significant big-name player has actually tested positive for steroids and that's Rafael Palmeiro. You can't hang somebody on speculation. Until they have a vial of blood and he's 100 percent guilty, then it's all speculation."Continued...
National will mentor troubled OF Dukes
Email|Print| Text size – + By Nick Cafardo
January 6, 2008
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/01/06/save_opportunity_for_young/?page=1
Dmitri Young doesn't wear a big "S" across his chest and he's not trying to save mankind. He just wants to give something back in the hopes that he can save someone, much like someone saved him.
more stories like this
He'll be a mentor to the troubled Elijah Dukes, the former Tampa Bay outfielder who was dealt to Washington during the winter meetings. Nationals general manager Jim Bowden came to Young before consummating the deal to ask whether he could lend a hand. Young, who rebounded from drug and alcohol addiction and a near-death experience with diabetes to hit .320 last season, was very agreeable.
"I love being in this role," said Young, a 12-year veteran and .290 career hitter. "This is what makes my life meaningful. If I can get to Elijah and make him realize that he can get his life straight, be a role model for every young, underprivileged black kid in the city who has no hope, then I've given back.
"So far he's been very receptive. Once spring training comes along, I'll have eight months with him. I'll be around him all the time. He'll see my face every day. I'll go to dinner with him, we'll spend time at the ballpark together. Maybe he'll get sick of me, but I'm going to be there."
Dukes, 23, has a long rap sheet.
His ex-wife obtained a pair of restraining orders against him. He's had domestic abuse charges filed against him. There's a recording of Dukes threatening to kill her and their children. The Rays, who felt they had tried everything with Dukes, were thrilled when they got the Nationals to take him off their hands. Playing in Tampa, where he grew up, was the worst thing for him.
Bowden took the chance because he had Young and special assistant Barry Larkin, who had mentored Young with the Reds years ago. If Young succeeds, Dukes has a chance to be an impressive ballplayer, one whom some believe has 30-30 or even 40-40 ability.
"When you're divorced and you can't see your kids, there's nothing worse than that," said Young. "Your kids are the greatest thing that comes from you. They are a part of you. When you can't be a part of their lives, it makes you crazy.
"He needs to manage his life better, maybe take some advice from someone who has been there and did a lot of wrong things but got himself straight. Sometimes they listen to someone like me. I've been at rock bottom and I picked myself back up. If he can see that I did it, then maybe it will give him the strength to do it, too.
"I'd be cheating baseball if I didn't try to give something back and try to teach the kids that come up the things that I learned the hard way.
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Young thinks it's a productive first step to have Dukes with Larkin. It's all positive reinforcement for a young man who saw his father convicted of murder when he was 11 and had a mother with a drug problem.
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"The fact that Barry is down there with him is very comforting because I know the kind of man Barry is and what he will say to Elijah," Young said. "Elijah needs to be around strong, upstanding people who can teach him the right way from the wrong way.
"When you've grown up like he has - absolutely the worst upbringing you can imagine - you have no bearings in your life. All the things you should have learned about right and wrong when you were a kid that you didn't learn or didn't have someone there to teach you, you have to go through that again."
Young mentions his brother, American League Rookie of the Year runner-up Delmon Young, who was traded by the Rays to the Twins.
"In Tampa, they just didn't have the veteran leadership that young guys could turn to," he said. "The guy who's been there the longest is Carl Crawford, who is a great player and a great guy, but he's 25 or 26 years old. Delmon didn't have that guidance on a daily basis, either."
Young said the guy who "got me back on my feet" was former Reds and Orioles outfielder Jeffrey Hammonds, but he also credits Larkin, Ken Griffey Jr., Ray Lankford, and Royce Clayton, among others, with at least being there for him. He looks at Dukes and sees someone who can be saved.
"I don't think it has to be tough love or anything like that," Young said. "I can be his big brother. I can show how much I care about him and how much other people care about him. I can teach him how to react. I can keep him focused on his job and his children and forget about all the rest of the stuff that's gone on in his past."
He has no idea how it will end up, and he has no miracle cure. He can't save mankind all at once, but he'll start with Elijah Dukes.
The Great Debate
A matter of substance
Do you believe Roger Clemens when he says he was injected with lidocaine and Vitamin B-12, and not steroids? We asked Hall of Famer Wade Boggs, who is a friend of Brian McNamee, another former Clemens teammate, Mike Boddicker, plus Keith Law, senior baseball analyst for ESPN Scouts Inc.
Boggs: "Brian was a good friend when I played with the Yankees. I have never known him to be anything but trustworthy. He's never lied to me and I never associated him with steroids or anything like that. It's an absolute shame that work ethic would come into question. The one thing I'll say through all of this is, as far as I can tell, only one significant big-name player has actually tested positive for steroids and that's Rafael Palmeiro. You can't hang somebody on speculation. Until they have a vial of blood and he's 100 percent guilty, then it's all speculation."Continued...
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Boddicker: "I tell you right now, I've seen Roger Clemens get injected with a B-12 vitamin shot. I was in the trainer's room back in Boston when the trainer injected him. Unless B-12 is illegal, I'm believing Roger. If it's this guy's word against Roger, I'll go with Roger every time. I had a locker right next to him in Boston and I can tell you this was the most dedicated athlete I've ever been around. The reason he had to take the B-12 was because he overworked himself. People say he's still performing past 40 and he must be doing something. Well, Nolan Ryan did it."
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Law: "I think the burden of proof now is squarely on Clemens. [Andy] Pettitte's admission, such as it was, gives a large boost to McNamee's credibility. It's almost impossible to prove a negative, but if Clemens can prove that McNamee lied about anything he said to Mitchell, it would do just as much or more to undermine McNamee's credibility and shift the burden back to the trainer."
Gossage gives us the score on hits and eras
A few questions for Goose Gossage, who stands a very good chance of being elected to the Hall of Fame Tuesday:
Is Jim Rice a Hall of Famer?
GG: "Absolutely. Are you kidding me? There weren't many hitters that I feared when I came into the game, but when Jimmy stepped to the plate, he was as close as I came to being scared. And for a power hitter, he could really hit. That's very rare. I can't think of too many people I respected more in the game. If I could go into Cooperstown with Jimmy, even though we were rivals and he was a Red Sox and I was a Yankee, I couldn't be more proud of that."
Why do you think he hasn't gotten in?
GG: "I wish I knew. I mean, look at Kirby Puckett, God rest his soul. If Jimmy had played at the Metrodome, they'd have had to rebuild that place because he would have torn it down. It's a lot easier to hit now than it was then. People talk about Manny Ramírez. If Jimmy played in this era, his numbers would be through the roof. The reason I say it's easier to hit is because the hitter is protected so much. A pitcher can't scare a hitter anymore or he'll get thrown out of the game. The strike zone is the size of a postage stamp. Hitters are wearing all that armor, the ball is livelier, the ballparks are smaller. I don't have the respect for Manny as I did for Jimmy. If Manny did that stuff when we were playing, he'd get dusted every time up. He could never get away with that."Continued...
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Who resembles Goose Gossage the most of today's closers?
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GG: "Don't forget, it's so much different now than it was when I pitched. I was the middle man, setup, and closer all rolled into one. If I pitched one inning, I felt guilty. But in terms of style, I'd say [Jonathan] Papelbon. He's got that high riding fastball that can dominate a hitter. That's the way I was taught. The only thing I don't like about Papelbon is that fist-pumping he does at the end. We were taught to never show up the hitter, and I never did."
You hear that Mariano Rivera is the greatest closer ever. What do you think?
GG: "You need to say he's the greatest modern-day closer. Right now, it's like comparing apples to oranges when you compare Mariano and Eck to the way we were used as closers. When I came up, they'd throw all the guys who couldn't start into the bullpen, like we were the scrap heap or something."
Etc.
Touching the bases
Apropos of nothing: 1. Great fit: Matt Clement resuming his career with Dave Duncan in St. Louis; 2. Chad Cordero, Shawn Hill, John Patterson, Jon Rauch, and Nick Johnson are the last Montreal Expos still with the Washington Nationals; 3. A Wade Boggs hunting show is in the works; 4. Mariners manager John McLaren just bought an optical business for his wife in Arizona. Umpires get a discount; 5. "Watch his body language when he answers tough questions," one baseball sage remarked about tonight's Roger Clemens interview on "60 Minutes."
Swishing on a star
One intangible factor in Nick Swisher being acquired by the White Sox is how Swisher's fun-loving personality fits well with manager Ozzie Guillen. Other things will be more measurable, such as how he'll improve the White Sox' on-base percentage (he'll probably bat second behind Orlando Cabrera) and add a patient bat to the lineup, as well as the 26 homers and 82 RBIs he's averaged. He should be a major benefit. But one scout told me, "He's not really a center fielder. He can play there [57 games last year], but he's not going to track the ball down like a really good center fielder." US Cellular Field has one of the smallest outfields in baseball, which should help. It was also a pretty good move by Oakland to acquire lefthander Gio Gonzalez and righthander Fautino De Los Santos, Chicago's top two prospects, in the deal. With the proposed Cisco Field in Fremont still perhaps three years away, A's general manager Billy Beane figured he might as well rebuild (don't forget the Dan Haren deal) toward that day.Continued...
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Scouts' honors
One of the most rewarding offseason events is Dennis Gilbert's "In the Spirit of the Game" dinner in Los Angeles, now in its fifth year. Proceeds from the Jan. 19 event go to scouts who have fallen on hard times. Gilbert, founder of the Professional Baseball Scouts Foundation, was a longtime player agent whose client list included Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, George Brett, and Curt Schilling. He was also Tony Conigliaro's roommate in the minor leagues with the Red Sox and today he is special assistant to White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf. Gilbert will honor Eddie Bockman and Ralph Avila with the George Genovese Lifetime Achievement Award in scouting. Also being honored are Joe Lewis, Al LaMacchia, Tom Giordano, Joe DiCarlo, Stan Benjamin, Bill Bartholomay, Tony Gwynn, the Buddy Bell family (receiving the Ray Boone Family Award), Bobby Cox, and Tito Fuentes.
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Patterned Sox
The Dodgers' minor league system has become a Who's Who of former Red Sox: Mike Easler (Las Vegas, Triple A) and John Valentin (Inland Empire, Single A) are hitting coaches. Mike Brumley (Ogden, Single A) and Juan Bustabad (Great Lakes, Single A) are managing. And the pitching coach at Great Lakes is Danny Darwin, old Double-D.
Plan is to rebound
Mariners manager John McLaren is hoping to get Richie Sexson back to what he was before the horrible 2007 season, when he batted just .205 with a .295 on-base percentage. "I've talked a little bit to him this winter, and by the time spring training rolls around, we're going to work out some kind of a plan," said McLaren. "If he needs at-bats, we'll find a way to get him a bunch of at-bats between major league and minor league games if we have to. If he can come back, it would take a lot of pressure off Adam Jones, our young outfielder who is basically going to be taking Jose Guillen's spot. Richie is a real key to our offense moving forward."
Mariners have sprung some leaks
The Mariners are still in desperate need of another front-line starter, even after the Carlos Silva signing. Setup man Brandon Morrow, who could be major trade bait, has been stretched out to 90 pitches in Venezuela and could be in the rotation if he's not dealt. Another trade bait possibility is catching prospect Jeff Clement, who is still working on his receiving but can really hit. With Kenji Johjima and Jamie Burke, the Mariners are already pretty solid behind the plate.
Minor progress
Here's another reason why the Red Sox should be hesitant to make a Johan Santana deal. Baseball America revealed in an online chat that the Sox will be ranked second behind Tampa Bay in its 2008 evaluation of all 30 farm systems. The Sox rankings over the years: 2002: 28; 2003: 27; 2004: 23; 2005: 21; 2006: 8; 2007: 9.
Extra bases
A few quick things: Babe Dahlgren broke in with the Sox in 1935 and was the man who replaced Lou Gehrig at first base for the Yankees in 1939. In a new book about his grandfather's life, "Rumor in Town," Matt Dahlgren explains how his grandfather was the first major leaguer to ever take a drug test, volunteering after rumors came out that he smoked marijuana. The random tests all came back negative, but Matt writes how the rumors "affected the last half of Babe's career but more importantly agonized him the last half of his life." . . . Former Red Sox executive Peter Woodfork, currently assistant GM for the Diamondbacks, was married Friday in Maui. Sox executives Craig Shipley and Ben Cherington attended the ceremony . . . A prince of a man, Dick Berardino, will be honored with the Judge Emil Fuchs Award for long and meritorious service to baseball at the Jan. 17 Boston Baseball Writers dinner . . . Happy 30th birthday, Casey Fossum.
Nick Cafardo can be reached at cafardo@globe.com
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January 6th, 2008 at 6:21 am
Very well written blog.
People, especially Yankee fans, freak out way too much anytime change is in the air.
Why be so damn fearful? Not all change is bad.
We saw the same panic in some when they changed managers.
Disagreements within an organization? EVERY organization has disagreements from time to time re: player acquisitions.
Show me one that doesn’t, and I’ll show you an organization that doesn’t contend.
They didn’t spend 400 million bucks this off-season on 4 over-30 players to “rebuild”. The only question is, how much more do they want to spend? That’s the issue.
The depth re: pitching prospects is now present in the organization. Its a money question and those questions are out of EVERY GM’s hands in baseball. Those are owner issues, regardless of whatever power Cashman has in his deal.
I like Cash and overall, has he done a good job. However, his calls on pitchers over the years have left a LOT to be desired.
If he gets overruled here, and they do the Santana deal, I wouldn’t go willy nilly as if its some breach of national security. It may be the best move for the team. If it is, he will be on board with it.
Can’t get overly attached to prospects when you root for a big market team. They are commodities and nothing more.
If you want an “All-Prospect Team”, something that Yankees haven’t been in close to 50 years, then its time to root for Tampa. You won’t see ANY big market team be an all-prospect team. The Red Sox certainly aren’t.
# Mr. Faded Glory January 6th, 2008 at 6:01 am
iYankee - I lived in Dumont for two years, half a step from the monument - I’m sure you know what I mean. I also lived in New Milford for 3 months. I’m still Ridgewood born and bred though.
# Mike D January 6th, 2008 at 2:37 am
If Hal controls the money, then he is the most powerful of the two brothers. Follow the money!
And the point about Boras “not enjoying working with Hal” may explain the surprise — including to A-Rod — that A-Rod had opted out. Boras’ ego may have gotten in the way to the point where he no longer was concerned with what A-Rod wanted, but was concerned with trying to show Hal (and Hank) that he was in control of the A-Rod negotiations, not the Yankees. In the end, it was A-Rod who had the most control.
# Tony Womack Should Be Our Left Fielder Again January 6th, 2008 at 2:58 am
Nice job with that last paragraph at the end. The rest Pete would have done better anyway as an insider.
You need someone like our site to post to break up these straight yankee discussions that anyone can do for some funny shorts to lighten the mood up around here.
# Miggs January 6th, 2008 at 3:40 am
I think Cashman’s quotes boiled down to a few things, most obviously than Hank and Hal run the show. They listen to Cash and I’m sure he has input on all decisions. But if Cashman was running the ship like he was back in ‘05-’06, we wouldn’t even be talking about Santana right now.
Hank is clearly pushing for Santana, basically telling the press about every move and thought within the organization. It also makes me a little worried when he uses the phrase “I” when talking about the team. Not only is it obnoxious, but it undermines everyone else in the front office, most notably Cashman.
I think without the emergence of Hank that Rivera and Posada get slightly less offers (Rivera 3 yrs/39m, Posada 4/40). But Hank bid against himself. Those guys would have signed for less, no way Rivera goes anywhere, especially at 13M/year. You give Jorge the 4th year and that takes away the threat that he signs in Queens. And A Rod is wearing a different uni in ‘08, either that or he signs for around 8 years/200M. They had leverage in that negotation and basically let Arod write his own paycheck.
Maybe I’m wrong, who knows? But what I believe is that Cashman has done a great job the last 3 years. I’m more excited about all these players coming up through the system, its really a great thing to watch. And I don’t want Hughes to haunt us for the next 15 years winning 18 games a year for the Twins.
The most troubling thing about that interview, however, and I’m sure this has been mentioned already: it seems like Cashman was refering to his job more as overseeing a transition than anything else. Cashman NEVER speaks out in the press. He talked about his duties changing, internal debate over moves, the emergence of the Stein bros. But the most troubling thing to me is that he sounds like a guy with one foot out the door.
He’s loyal and will continue to do his best for the team until he leaves. But he’s gone. And that is not a good thing if you’re a Yankee fan.
Very well written blog.
People, especially Yankee fans, freak out way too much anytime change is in the air.
Why be so damn fearful? Not all change is bad.
We saw the same panic in some when they changed managers.
Disagreements within an organization? EVERY organization has disagreements from time to time re: player acquisitions.
Show me one that doesn’t, and I’ll show you an organization that doesn’t contend.
They didn’t spend 400 million bucks this off-season on 4 over-30 players to “rebuild”. The only question is, how much more do they want to spend? That’s the issue.
The depth re: pitching prospects is now present in the organization. Its a money question and those questions are out of EVERY GM’s hands in baseball. Those are owner issues, regardless of whatever power Cashman has in his deal.
I like Cash and overall, has he done a good job. However, his calls on pitchers over the years have left a LOT to be desired.
If he gets overruled here, and they do the Santana deal, I wouldn’t go willy nilly as if its some breach of national security. It may be the best move for the team. If it is, he will be on board with it.
Can’t get overly attached to prospects when you root for a big market team. They are commodities and nothing more.
If you want an “All-Prospect Team”, something that Yankees haven’t been in close to 50 years, then its time to root for Tampa. You won’t see ANY big market team be an all-prospect team. The Red Sox certainly aren’t.
# Mr. Faded Glory January 6th, 2008 at 6:01 am
iYankee - I lived in Dumont for two years, half a step from the monument - I’m sure you know what I mean. I also lived in New Milford for 3 months. I’m still Ridgewood born and bred though.
# Mike D January 6th, 2008 at 2:37 am
If Hal controls the money, then he is the most powerful of the two brothers. Follow the money!
And the point about Boras “not enjoying working with Hal” may explain the surprise — including to A-Rod — that A-Rod had opted out. Boras’ ego may have gotten in the way to the point where he no longer was concerned with what A-Rod wanted, but was concerned with trying to show Hal (and Hank) that he was in control of the A-Rod negotiations, not the Yankees. In the end, it was A-Rod who had the most control.
# Tony Womack Should Be Our Left Fielder Again January 6th, 2008 at 2:58 am
Nice job with that last paragraph at the end. The rest Pete would have done better anyway as an insider.
You need someone like our site to post to break up these straight yankee discussions that anyone can do for some funny shorts to lighten the mood up around here.
# Miggs January 6th, 2008 at 3:40 am
I think Cashman’s quotes boiled down to a few things, most obviously than Hank and Hal run the show. They listen to Cash and I’m sure he has input on all decisions. But if Cashman was running the ship like he was back in ‘05-’06, we wouldn’t even be talking about Santana right now.
Hank is clearly pushing for Santana, basically telling the press about every move and thought within the organization. It also makes me a little worried when he uses the phrase “I” when talking about the team. Not only is it obnoxious, but it undermines everyone else in the front office, most notably Cashman.
I think without the emergence of Hank that Rivera and Posada get slightly less offers (Rivera 3 yrs/39m, Posada 4/40). But Hank bid against himself. Those guys would have signed for less, no way Rivera goes anywhere, especially at 13M/year. You give Jorge the 4th year and that takes away the threat that he signs in Queens. And A Rod is wearing a different uni in ‘08, either that or he signs for around 8 years/200M. They had leverage in that negotation and basically let Arod write his own paycheck.
Maybe I’m wrong, who knows? But what I believe is that Cashman has done a great job the last 3 years. I’m more excited about all these players coming up through the system, its really a great thing to watch. And I don’t want Hughes to haunt us for the next 15 years winning 18 games a year for the Twins.
The most troubling thing about that interview, however, and I’m sure this has been mentioned already: it seems like Cashman was refering to his job more as overseeing a transition than anything else. Cashman NEVER speaks out in the press. He talked about his duties changing, internal debate over moves, the emergence of the Stein bros. But the most troubling thing to me is that he sounds like a guy with one foot out the door.
He’s loyal and will continue to do his best for the team until he leaves. But he’s gone. And that is not a good thing if you’re a Yankee fan.
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Cashman: Yankee organization has a new power structure
Posted by: Ben K. in Brian Cashman, Hal Steinbrenner, Hank Steinbrenner
t has been reported that Hank overruled Cash by giving Posada and Rivera an extra year on their respective contracts, that Cash was opposed to taking A-Rod back under the terms of the contract he signed, and we have seen how Hank has continually undermined Cash’s negotiating position with regard to the Santana trade talks by disclosing each and every aspect of the deliberations, as well as how much he wants him.
Hank has also said that he told Cashman that: “I’m going to make the final decisions because when you’re the owner you should,” thereby demonstrating that he fails to understand that successful owners allow the baseball people make the baseball decisions.
Consequently, I think there is sufficient evidence to conclude that Hank is not “letting Cashman do his job.”
I agree with Ben. I don’t think the Yankees have done anything wrong this offseason, no matter what the new pecking order is. Posada got one more year than was optimal, but he had us over a barrel and he knew it. Same with Mo. I can’t find any fault with resigning Alex no matter what the naysayers think — that RH bat would have cost too much talent to replace.
Say what you will about Hank and his mouth, he hasn’t allowed it to screw up the Santana negotiations because we’ve done the right thing there too as far as I can tell. (i.e., we didn’t allow the Twinkies to hold our feet to the fire, and the door is still open a crack in case the right deal becomes available.)
Would I like to have a better pen going into ‘08? Sure. But I just don’t see that there was any reasonable way to do that given what was available. The only other weakness I see at present is the ongoing 1B dilemna. I would rather not see DJ playing SS (for defensive reasons), but we’re stuck with that one for the foreseeable future unless someone can convince him to try CF.
I may feel differently by the time pitchers and catchers report (depending on what else goes down), but right now I have no solid reason to criticize the new power structure.
It its impossible to know how the Steinbrenners and their new found leadership will react in the future ; an therefore I am not certain about the projection of stability and continued success of this organization. It is just to soon to make this assumption!
With the emergence of the Younger Steinbrenners it is clear that the previous role of Mr.Cashman has diminish. To what degree, we will see! Whether his new role is to be seen as a transition to a new business model or a continuation of the past, will partially be determined by the outcome of the Santana situation!
That the Yankees have not made any questionable moves this present off season, can be seen as being at best cautious. The issue of middle relief , the age of position players and payroll tax still remain an issue. The situation is in flux and Mr. Cashman, like we all can only take a wait and see approach. The transition we might be viewing could just very well be, ironically speaking, Mr. Cashman’s own exit from this organization, especially if his commitment to youth is not honored!
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I would imagine that, when millions of dollars are on the table due to final product on the field, that ALL owners would have final say in their final product. Cashman is well-compensated for what he does, and this is yet another media waste of space.
Bring On Baseball because this offseason has been brutal to read about.
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January 6th, 2008 at 7:03 am (Reply)
Didn’t Hank, not CashMoney, re-sign Rivera, Posada, and A-Rod to their respective contracts? Isn’t that undermining the GM?
I hope Cashman gets an extension after the season.
Posted by: Ben K. in Brian Cashman, Hal Steinbrenner, Hank Steinbrenner
http://riveraveblues.com/2008/01/06/cashman-yankee-organization-has-a-new-power-structure-1935/
As a follow up on my post from Friday about the shifting organizational structure in the Yankees Front Office, Yanks GM Brian Cashman has confirmed what we’ve known for a while. The Steinbrenner brothers are taking a more active role in running the team, and Cashman’s autonomy, granted to him by George in 2005, is waning.
Speaking at a Boston fundraising on Saturday, Cashman gave the media some insight into his current role in the organization. MLB.com’s PeteAbe has the word from Cash:
“The dynamics are changing with us. When I signed up with this current three-year deal, and this is the last year of it, it was with full authority to run the entire program. George had given me that. But things have changed in this third year now with the emergence of Hal and Hank Steinbrenner and that started this winter,” he said, “I’m learning as I go along, too. But it is different. But one thing is that I’ve been with this family, the Steinbrenner family, for well over 20 years. So I’m focused fully on doing everything I possibly can to assist them in their emergence now as decision makers.”
Meanwhile, an article on MLB.com has a bit more from Cash and his relationship with the Steinbrenners. “Everybody has their own style,” Cashman said. “And Hank has obviously taken charge on behalf of his father, along with his brother, Hal. They have different styles. Hal is more quiet and Hank is very available, but my job is to continue to line up the structure of the organization that can find the amateur talent.”
On Friday, I wrote about how the new relationships affect the Santana deal. Today, we can extend that look to the entire organization. Right now, Hank talks a lot — maybe too much — and Hal is the quiet, behind-the-scenes guys. While Brian Cashman knows and understand that he doesn’t have the same unilateral power that he had during the waning days of George Steinbrenner’s reign, he stills has a very influential position of power within the Yankee organization.
From his comments, it’s clear that he is the de facto leader of any sort of transitional organizational team in place ensuring that the Yankees continue down the solid path they’ve built up of developing young players and making smart free agent signings to fill in the holes. While George got away from that plan earlier this decade, the younger Steinbrenners are seemingly much more willing to let this plan unfold.
Sure, they may be in on Santana, but right now, Hank has listened to Cashman and Hal, the two anti-trade forces in the organization. Because of that, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera are both still on the Yankees and slated for pinstripes in 2008. While some of Hank’s more outspoken critics may not like what Cashman is saying, the Yanks haven’t made any off-season mistakes yet this year, and I’m willing to believe that the Steinbrenners are letting Cashman do his job. He did say after all that his job is to “assist them in their emergence now as decision makers.”
Make as much of that as you will, but in the end, that’s the General Manager’s job. Every signing, every contract, every trade in baseball will always have the seal of the team’s owner’s approval. The Yankees — even with Cashman’s so-called autonomy — were no different the last few years, and they will be no different going forward. The difference instead lies in the mental health and acuity of the men at the top, and the younger Steinbrenners seem prepared to build up a fiscally strong and talented Yankee team with the help of a top-notch General Manager. I can’t argue with that one.
t has been reported that Hank overruled Cash by giving Posada and Rivera an extra year on their respective contracts, that Cash was opposed to taking A-Rod back under the terms of the contract he signed, and we have seen how Hank has continually undermined Cash’s negotiating position with regard to the Santana trade talks by disclosing each and every aspect of the deliberations, as well as how much he wants him.
Hank has also said that he told Cashman that: “I’m going to make the final decisions because when you’re the owner you should,” thereby demonstrating that he fails to understand that successful owners allow the baseball people make the baseball decisions.
Consequently, I think there is sufficient evidence to conclude that Hank is not “letting Cashman do his job.”
I agree with Ben. I don’t think the Yankees have done anything wrong this offseason, no matter what the new pecking order is. Posada got one more year than was optimal, but he had us over a barrel and he knew it. Same with Mo. I can’t find any fault with resigning Alex no matter what the naysayers think — that RH bat would have cost too much talent to replace.
Say what you will about Hank and his mouth, he hasn’t allowed it to screw up the Santana negotiations because we’ve done the right thing there too as far as I can tell. (i.e., we didn’t allow the Twinkies to hold our feet to the fire, and the door is still open a crack in case the right deal becomes available.)
Would I like to have a better pen going into ‘08? Sure. But I just don’t see that there was any reasonable way to do that given what was available. The only other weakness I see at present is the ongoing 1B dilemna. I would rather not see DJ playing SS (for defensive reasons), but we’re stuck with that one for the foreseeable future unless someone can convince him to try CF.
I may feel differently by the time pitchers and catchers report (depending on what else goes down), but right now I have no solid reason to criticize the new power structure.
It its impossible to know how the Steinbrenners and their new found leadership will react in the future ; an therefore I am not certain about the projection of stability and continued success of this organization. It is just to soon to make this assumption!
With the emergence of the Younger Steinbrenners it is clear that the previous role of Mr.Cashman has diminish. To what degree, we will see! Whether his new role is to be seen as a transition to a new business model or a continuation of the past, will partially be determined by the outcome of the Santana situation!
That the Yankees have not made any questionable moves this present off season, can be seen as being at best cautious. The issue of middle relief , the age of position players and payroll tax still remain an issue. The situation is in flux and Mr. Cashman, like we all can only take a wait and see approach. The transition we might be viewing could just very well be, ironically speaking, Mr. Cashman’s own exit from this organization, especially if his commitment to youth is not honored!
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I would imagine that, when millions of dollars are on the table due to final product on the field, that ALL owners would have final say in their final product. Cashman is well-compensated for what he does, and this is yet another media waste of space.
Bring On Baseball because this offseason has been brutal to read about.
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January 6th, 2008 at 7:03 am (Reply)
Didn’t Hank, not CashMoney, re-sign Rivera, Posada, and A-Rod to their respective contracts? Isn’t that undermining the GM?
I hope Cashman gets an extension after the season.
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For the first time in public, Cashman admitted what has become increasingly evident: That his job has changed since the Steinbrenner sons took control of the team.
“Things have changed here in the third year,” he said. “I’m learning as I go along, too. But it is different. But one thing is that I’ve been with this family, the Steinbrenner family, for well over 20 years. So I’m focused fully on doing everything I possibly can to assist them in their emergence now as decision makers.”
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/06/pinc...high-and-tight/
I anxiously await for Nomaas to continue to tell us that Cashman is still the head honcho. Yea fucking right.
For the first time in public, Cashman admitted what has become increasingly evident: That his job has changed since the Steinbrenner sons took control of the team.
“Things have changed here in the third year,” he said. “I’m learning as I go along, too. But it is different. But one thing is that I’ve been with this family, the Steinbrenner family, for well over 20 years. So I’m focused fully on doing everything I possibly can to assist them in their emergence now as decision makers.”
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/06/pinc...high-and-tight/
I anxiously await for Nomaas to continue to tell us that Cashman is still the head honcho. Yea fucking right.
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Re: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
Joel says:
January 6th, 2008 at 12:13 am
Beantown
Joba was a starter for the majority of his minor league season until August @ scranton AAA.
He put up higher K rates in the same eastern division that Buchholz pitched in as a starter.
He tops out 4-6 mph faster than Clay.
Can you explain how a pitcher that…
1. has touched 97 in the 7th inning consistently
2. has 3 + pitches (fastball, curve, slider)
3. has low walk rates as a starter
4. exhibited the feel for a solid changeup @ AA
5. has command of his fastball on both sides of the plate
is not a starter?
January 6th, 2008 at 12:13 am
Beantown
Joba was a starter for the majority of his minor league season until August @ scranton AAA.
He put up higher K rates in the same eastern division that Buchholz pitched in as a starter.
He tops out 4-6 mph faster than Clay.
Can you explain how a pitcher that…
1. has touched 97 in the 7th inning consistently
2. has 3 + pitches (fastball, curve, slider)
3. has low walk rates as a starter
4. exhibited the feel for a solid changeup @ AA
5. has command of his fastball on both sides of the plate
is not a starter?
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