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let's talk about MAC lies ICE HOLE..FACTUAL ONES!
yeah, no one ever lies
The report said 'Hallinan told us [Mitchell] the Perez incident could have been the most important in the `steroids investigation.' But to his disappointment, he was not given permission to interview the major-league players on the list.''
yeah, no one ever lies
The report said 'Hallinan told us [Mitchell] the Perez incident could have been the most important in the `steroids investigation.' But to his disappointment, he was not given permission to interview the major-league players on the list.''
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MAC IS A LIAH
CLemens is an ACE.
prove clemens cheated...EVER.
can you prove any red sox player did??? how about any 2001 marlins???
yet you bring you fagguty lil articles in here with no substance at all.....even while your roid sox are a disgrace to the WSC RING ON THEIR FINGER
"The report said 'Hallinan told Mitchell the Perez incident could have been the most important in the `steroids investigation.' But to his disappointment, he was not given permission to interview the major-league players on the list.'' Luis Perez article on Marlins ahhh mitchell the red!
CLemens is an ACE.
prove clemens cheated...EVER.
can you prove any red sox player did??? how about any 2001 marlins???
yet you bring you fagguty lil articles in here with no substance at all.....even while your roid sox are a disgrace to the WSC RING ON THEIR FINGER
"The report said 'Hallinan told Mitchell the Perez incident could have been the most important in the `steroids investigation.' But to his disappointment, he was not given permission to interview the major-league players on the list.'' Luis Perez article on Marlins ahhh mitchell the red!
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can we discuss this on the general board?
""The report said 'Hallinan told us [Mitchell] the Perez incident could have been the most important in the `steroids investigation.' But to his disappointment, he was not given permission to interview the major-league players on the list.''
Major League Baseball never would have interviewed Perez about steroid use, but in 2002 while working with the Expos, Perez asked a Marlins clubhouse attendant to take a bag back to Florida for him.""
lets talk in here about it///
who is PAXTON??? LI - AH? still in the closet on that one huh?
can we discuss this on the general board?
""The report said 'Hallinan told us [Mitchell] the Perez incident could have been the most important in the `steroids investigation.' But to his disappointment, he was not given permission to interview the major-league players on the list.''
Major League Baseball never would have interviewed Perez about steroid use, but in 2002 while working with the Expos, Perez asked a Marlins clubhouse attendant to take a bag back to Florida for him.""
lets talk in here about it///
who is PAXTON??? LI - AH? still in the closet on that one huh?
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do i really have to give the same answer to 1,012 different people in the same dang thread? READ IT
MAC LIED ABOUT HIS QUALIFICATIONS....DOCTOR MCNAMEE ....YOU LOOK IT UP THIS TIME AND PROVE ME WRONG.....FOR ONCE!
MAC LIED ABOUT HIS QUALIFICATIONS....DOCTOR MCNAMEE ....YOU LOOK IT UP THIS TIME AND PROVE ME WRONG.....FOR ONCE!
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Roger Clemens will eventually be the baseball headliner in Washington, assuming that he testifies before Congress on Feb. 13. But commissioner Bud Selig, union head Don Fehr and former Senator George Mitchell will be the first to face questions from congressmen, on Tuesday. Here's what could -- or should -- be asked.
For Selig:
1. Former Senator Mitchell said, generally, that your sport developed a rampant drug culture, and that everyone was responsible. Among others, he meant you. Do you agree, and if so, what, specifically, do you think you, as commissioner, did wrong? If you disagree, please explain how and why.
2. The commissioners of the NFL and NBA chose to not open investigations into their sport, and you have been candid in acknowledging that your advisors told you that opening an investigation was not a good idea. What was it about baseball's situation, as compared to the NFL or NBA, that compelled you to commission your investigation?
3. How much did the Mitchell report cost Major League Baseball -- including any base fee paid to the former senator, the actual cost of the investigation and the costs incurred by teams as they dealt with inquires from the Mitchell investigators?
4. You say you are embracing the changes suggested within the Mitchell report, some relating to testing procedures. But some of these were outlined years ago by critics of baseball's drug policy. Why are you embracing the suggestions now, rather than before?
For Fehr:
1. Former Senator Mitchell said, generally, that your sport developed a rampant drug culture, and that everyone was responsible. Among others, he meant you. Do you agree, and if so, what, specifically, do you think you did wrong? If you disagree, please explain how and why.
2. On the day the Mitchell report was released, you indicated that in looking back, you believe action by the union did not come swiftly enough in dealing with the issue of steroids. First, can you elaborate on that? And secondly, given that history, do you believe it is prudent for the union, in dealing with the issue of performance-enhancing drugs, to continue to resist the kind of blood testing that is done in many other sports?
3. Gene Orza, the No. 2 officer within the union, is essentially accused, within the Mitchell report, of tipping off a player to a drug test. Can you elaborate on that, with details of whether this is what happened? And if it did occur, can you tell us whether other players were also tipped off, at other times? And if it did happen, do you think this has the potential for undermining the credibility of your union's drug-testing agreement?
4. Bud Selig has said he is committed to making the recommended changes contained within the Mitchell report. Are you? If not, what recommendations concern you, and why?
For Mitchell:
1. You did not have the ability to subpoena players during your investigation, but you had extraordinary power, nonetheless, because any player mentioned in your report was effectively damaged for life. You invited players to meet with you during your investigation -- but why did you choose not to inform them exactly what they were accused of?
For example: If you were confident in the information that trainer Brian McNamee provided, why would you not inform Roger Clemens, before the release of your report, of what McNamee was alleging?
2. In most cases within your report, you provide corroborating evidence. In some cases, however, you included an allegation based on interviews with a single source -- in most cases, either McNamee or former Mets batboy Kirk Radomski. Can you explain how you came to view this as sufficient evidence?
3. You received help from federal investigators during your own inquiry, which was a private investigation commissioned by Major League Baseball. How did it come to pass that federal investigators provided you with information that is not accessible to the public at large? In your view, why should a private investigator for Major League Baseball have access that other citizens -- whether it be baseball fans, journalists or even the players -- cannot have?
4. There must have been steroid pipelines in baseball during the era. How much investigating did you do about these possible sources:
A. Players obtaining the drugs while playing winter ball, particularly in the Dominican Republic.
B. Players obtaining the drugs in Mexico, after crossing the border in Texas or San Diego county.
C. Some player agents.
5. You have spoken generally about how baseball had a drug culture, and how everyone contributed to the problem. But there is very little in the report about the decisions made by the most powerful people in the sport -- the union leaders, the commissioner, the owners -- that helped to foster this culture. Can you elaborate on that here today? Can you characterize the conversations that took place in union meetings and owners meetings?
• Roger Clemens' effort to clear his name may have spun the wrong way, writes Alan Schwarz. At the moment, writes Richard Justice, Brian McNamee seems more believable. Clemens did not speak about the steroid flap when he met with Texas coaches, writes Bart Hubbuch.
Meanwhile, his former trainer, Brian McNamee, is reportedly opening up in a way he did not last summer.
Baseball is to blame for its troubles, writes David Steele.
• The guys named in the Mitchell report will have no trouble from teammates, as Nick Cafardo writes.
PED-FREE ZONE
Neither the Blue Jays nor the Cardinals are getting a sure thing in their swap of third basemen Troy Glaus and Scott Rolen.
Glaus has missed at least 47 games in three of the last five seasons, and he's a subpar defensive third baseman when he does play -- but if healthy, what he gives St. Louis is somebody who might be more apt than Rolen was to make opponents pay when they pitch around Albert Pujols, who drew 99 walks last season, including 22 intentional walks. And the Cardinals are assured of a spring training and season without the sideshow issue of whether Tony La Russa and Rolen would speak to each other again (and that was unlikely to happen, after La Russa sent what was perceived to be a blistering letter to Rolen after the season and after La Russa criticized Rolen during the winter meetings).
Rolen has missed 176 games over the last three seasons, largely because of shoulder problems, and there is real doubt among executives with other teams about whether he will ever come close to being the kind of offensive player he used to be (Rolen batted .258 with eight homers in 392 at-bats last season, and a .398 slugging percentage). But Rolen should be, at the very least, a significant defensive upgrade over Glaus, on a team built around sinkerballers like Roy Halladay. Vernon Wells, who had a poor season in 2007, must hit in 2008 to make up for the offense lost with the departure of Glaus, but this deal could be good for Toronto.
It's a gamble for both teams, has a chance to work out for one or both teams and has a chance to blow up for one or both teams.
The deal solves the Rolen-La Russa spat, writes Bernie Miklasz.
• Ryan Braun made immediate changes to his workout regimen after hearing about the Mike Cameron signing, as Tom Haudricourt writes.
• Miguel Cabrera appeared at a Tigers function Saturday, and Michael Rosenberg reports that he looks good. In this picture, it does looks like he has lost weight. He acknowledged that he's lost "maybe" 20 pounds, as Lynn Henning writes.
Dave Dombrowski thinks Brandon Inge should catch, writes Jon Paul Morosi.
• Athletics owner Lew Wolff says Oakland is not throwing away 2008, and is looking for a season with a record over .500, writes John Shea.
• It's been 99 years of waiting for the Cubs -- and counting, writes Murray Chass.
• Some Pittsburgh players like the status quo with the Pirates, writes Dejan Kovacevic. Ronny Paulino is trying to put himself in position for a comeback, writes Rob Biertempfel.
• The Rockies are still looking for a left-hander, writes Troy Renck.
• Spring training is five weeks away, and the Orioles have many unanswered questions.
• The Red Sox still have some questions about their bench.
• Mark Kotsay is a quality major leaguer, Chipper Jones tells David O'Brien, in the aftermath of the Braves' agreement to deal for the center fielder.
• The Rays are dangerously close to being competitive, writes Joe Henderson. Their payroll has increased by 70 percent, writes Marc Topkin.
• Maybe Walt Jocketty can help the Reds find their Chris Carpenter, writes John Fay. Jocketty lacks an ego, writes Fay.
• Bud Shaw muses about Progressive Field and concludes: It could have been worse.
• Gene Conley had twice as much fun, writes Stan Grossfeld.
• Phil Rogers writes that he forgot to put Harold Baines on his ballot.
• Vanderbilt is no longer unbeaten, as Maurice Patton writes. Next up: the University of Tennessee.
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Hey Paddy or Swift
You can send your comments about Mcnamee Lie to Feds
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You can send your comments about Mcnamee Lie to Feds
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Miguel Cabrera looks good in this pic
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MICHAEL ROSENBERG: New Tiger Miguel Cabrera is shaping to be perfect
A good fit: Cabrera looks in shape to have a dynamic season
A good fit: Cabrera looks in shape to have a dynamic season
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MICHAEL ROSENBERG: New Tiger Miguel Cabrera is shaping to be perfect
A good fit: Cabrera looks in shape to have a dynamic season
January 13, 2008
BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST
One strange part of being a baseball fan in 2008 is that you want baseball players to be fit, but not too fit. Muscles are good, but really big muscles arouse suspicion.
I am pleased to report from Saturday's TigerFest that Miguel Cabrera looks excessively ... good. He is fantastically ... healthy.
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The Tigers acquired Cabrera in November, but there is less Cabrera now than there was then. He doesn't know how much weight he lost. But he sure looks like he is in great shape.
"I feel like I had to lose," Cabrera said. "I feel more comfortable."
When Cabrera is comfortable, pitchers get fidgety. His first four full seasons look like misprints. He is one of the best hitters in baseball -- and since he puts up huge offensive numbers while playing a difficult position, third base, he is one of the most valuable players in the game.
That's why it was so important for Cabrera to lose weight. He would be a great player anywhere, but he is exceptional at third base. With Cabrera playing third, the Tigers can leave Carlos Guillen at first base and Gary Sheffield at designated hitter and still have the only lineup in baseball that might make the Yankees jealous.
It is a lineup of stars, and Cabrera should be the brightest. I know Magglio Ordonez is coming off an extraordinary year. But Cabrera is the best pure hitter on this team.
Dontrelle Willis, who arrived in the same trade with Florida, called Cabrera "the best player in the league, hands down." Willis is biased, of course, and last I checked, Alex Rodriguez was still in the American League. Still, Cabrera will be in the conversation.
When reporters asked Guillen to talk about Cabrera, he said, "Again?" Guillen was kidding, but who can fault him? Guillen and Cabrera grew up in the same city in Venezuela, and there is no doubt about which one is the bigger star.
Cabrera is one of those no-doubt players. He seems to have arrived on the planet as a fully formed baseball player, like he left the womb and immediately hit a triple off the doctor.
"Everyone knows Miguel in Maracay," Guillen said. "Even when he was 12, 13, 14 years old, everybody talk about Miguel."
According to Baseball-Reference.com, the three batters whose stats were most similar to Cabrera's at age 24 were Hank Aaron, Ken Griffey Jr. and Frank Robinson. Those are not just Hall of Famers. Those are Hall of Famers who can look down on other Hall of Famers.
Of the 10 batters who were most similar at that age, six are in the Hall of Fame. Griffey will make the Hall when he becomes eligible. And so, probably, will the No. 10 man on the list, Angels star Vladimir Guerrero, who happens to be Cabrera's role model.
"To me, he's a complete hitter," Cabrera said. "He can hit for average, for power. He can do everything."
So can Cabrera. The man has averaged 31.5 homers over the past four years, and that's not even the best part of his game. Cabrera has contended for a batting title, finished in the top five in his league in on-base percentage and pounded 50 doubles in a season.
I should probably point out that Guillen also said "if you have to pick one player in a clutch situation" he would happily take Cabrera. And I figured, "Yeah, sure, of course."
But then I looked it up on that same blessed Web site, Baseball-Reference.com. And you know what? Cabrera's worst performances, by far, come in the ninth inning and extra innings. His numbers in "late and close" situations are significantly worse than his numbers the rest of the time. That's not necessarily a terminal problem, but it's worth noting.
OK, so the guy isn't perfect.
Yet.
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Fan sues Yankees over steroids
NEW YORK (AP) — A longtime baseball fan is suing the New York Yankees over some players' reported use of performance-enhancing drugs, saying he wants repayment for $221 in tickets and a public response from his once-beloved team.
"I look at it almost as consumer fraud," said Matthew Mitchell, 30, a Brooklyn resident who said he went to his first game at Yankee Stadium in 1984. "If I'm going to watch a baseball game, then I expect it to be the real thing."
The Yankees declined to comment.
The paralegal filed his lawsuit in small claims court in Brooklyn last week, less than a month after former U.S. Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell released a report linking 85 Major League Baseball players — including 20 current and former Yankees — to illegal use of steroids and other performance-enhancing formulations.
Matthew Mitchell wants to be reimbursed for tickets to five games between 2002 and 2007. They include Game 2 of the 2003 World Series, in which pitcher Andy Pettitte led the Yankees to a win.
Pettitte was named in the steroids report, released Dec. 13, and has since admitted he used human growth hormone to recover from an elbow injury in 2002. Baseball banned HGH in January 2005. Pettitte has said he used it to heal faster, not to enhance his performance, and stressed that he never used steroids.
Mitchell said he filed the lawsuit chiefly because he wanted team representatives "to be forced to come down and answer my claim." A court date is set for Feb. 20.
This fan should never be allowed in Yankees staduim ever agan!!
NEW YORK (AP) — A longtime baseball fan is suing the New York Yankees over some players' reported use of performance-enhancing drugs, saying he wants repayment for $221 in tickets and a public response from his once-beloved team.
"I look at it almost as consumer fraud," said Matthew Mitchell, 30, a Brooklyn resident who said he went to his first game at Yankee Stadium in 1984. "If I'm going to watch a baseball game, then I expect it to be the real thing."
The Yankees declined to comment.
The paralegal filed his lawsuit in small claims court in Brooklyn last week, less than a month after former U.S. Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell released a report linking 85 Major League Baseball players — including 20 current and former Yankees — to illegal use of steroids and other performance-enhancing formulations.
Matthew Mitchell wants to be reimbursed for tickets to five games between 2002 and 2007. They include Game 2 of the 2003 World Series, in which pitcher Andy Pettitte led the Yankees to a win.
Pettitte was named in the steroids report, released Dec. 13, and has since admitted he used human growth hormone to recover from an elbow injury in 2002. Baseball banned HGH in January 2005. Pettitte has said he used it to heal faster, not to enhance his performance, and stressed that he never used steroids.
Mitchell said he filed the lawsuit chiefly because he wanted team representatives "to be forced to come down and answer my claim." A court date is set for Feb. 20.
This fan should never be allowed in Yankees staduim ever agan!!
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Originally Posted by Yankees13
I don't want to start conspiracy theories, but shouldn't this followed up on? It's certainly not any more questionable than much of the evidence that was in the Mitchell report. Investigators should at least follow the lead, and if the investigation dead-ends, so be it. I would have serious concerns if nothing comes of this. Also, it's interesting to me that a former Red Sox manager is willing to discuss this on national radio. Guess Mitchell really didn't look too hard for people willing to talk in his organization?
As I wrote above, Mitchell's role is finished and there's no indication that baseball is going to continue to investigate the pre-testing era. Do you think baseball is going to re-appoint Mitchell or appoint someone else each time someone gives a hearsay account of PED use before 2005? I don't.
As far as Kennedy's ties to the Sox, as someone wrote, he's been gone for years. The fact that he once managed the Red Sox tells you nothing about Mitchell's investigation of the Red Sox. And even if a current Red Sox coach or that idiot Grady Little made such a comment after hearing someone else's account of what happened in the Sox dugout, that wouldn't negate a serious investigation by Mitchell of the Sox. In that case, it would have been possible for the comment to have been made after the investigation was concluded or for the coach or Gump not to have repeated it to Mitchell. Mitchell wasn't able to compel testimony.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [LEFT
TheoShmeo[/left]]As I wrote above, Mitchell's role is finished and there's no indication that baseball is going to continue to investigate the
pre-testing
era. Do you think baseball is going to re-appoint Mitchell or appoint someone else each time someone gives a hearsay account of
PED
use before 2005? I don't.
As far as Kennedy's ties to the
Sox
, as someone wrote, he's been gone for years. The fact that he once managed the Red
Sox
tells you nothing about Mitchell's investigation of the Red
Sox
. And even if a current Red
Sox
coach or that idiot Grady Little made such a comment after hearing someone
else's
account of what happened in the
Sox
dugout, that wouldn't negate a serious investigation by Mitchell of the
Sox
. In that case, it would have been possible for the comment to have been made after the investigation was concluded or for the coach or
Gump
not to have repeated it to Mitchell. Mitchell wasn't able to compel testimony.
Mitchell's done (thankfully), but
MLB
announced a department of investigations to look into all aspects of
PED
use. DO they really draw the line at not looking into past incidents such as Kennedy blabbed about?
It very well could lead to have current relevance- who knows till they start investigating
IT seems exactly the kind of thing they should at least look at. Given Bud's track record, I doubt we hear about it again
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I don't want to start conspiracy theories, but shouldn't this followed up on? It's certainly not any more questionable than much of the evidence that was in the Mitchell report. Investigators should at least follow the lead, and if the investigation dead-ends, so be it. I would have serious concerns if nothing comes of this. Also, it's interesting to me that a former Red Sox manager is willing to discuss this on national radio. Guess Mitchell really didn't look too hard for people willing to talk in his organization?
As I wrote above, Mitchell's role is finished and there's no indication that baseball is going to continue to investigate the pre-testing era. Do you think baseball is going to re-appoint Mitchell or appoint someone else each time someone gives a hearsay account of PED use before 2005? I don't.
As far as Kennedy's ties to the Sox, as someone wrote, he's been gone for years. The fact that he once managed the Red Sox tells you nothing about Mitchell's investigation of the Red Sox. And even if a current Red Sox coach or that idiot Grady Little made such a comment after hearing someone else's account of what happened in the Sox dugout, that wouldn't negate a serious investigation by Mitchell of the Sox. In that case, it would have been possible for the comment to have been made after the investigation was concluded or for the coach or Gump not to have repeated it to Mitchell. Mitchell wasn't able to compel testimony.
Quote:
Originally Posted by [LEFT
TheoShmeo[/left]]As I wrote above, Mitchell's role is finished and there's no indication that baseball is going to continue to investigate the
pre-testing
era. Do you think baseball is going to re-appoint Mitchell or appoint someone else each time someone gives a hearsay account of
PED
use before 2005? I don't.
As far as Kennedy's ties to the
Sox
, as someone wrote, he's been gone for years. The fact that he once managed the Red
Sox
tells you nothing about Mitchell's investigation of the Red
Sox
. And even if a current Red
Sox
coach or that idiot Grady Little made such a comment after hearing someone
else's
account of what happened in the
Sox
dugout, that wouldn't negate a serious investigation by Mitchell of the
Sox
. In that case, it would have been possible for the comment to have been made after the investigation was concluded or for the coach or
Gump
not to have repeated it to Mitchell. Mitchell wasn't able to compel testimony.
Mitchell's done (thankfully), but
MLB
announced a department of investigations to look into all aspects of
PED
use. DO they really draw the line at not looking into past incidents such as Kennedy blabbed about?
It very well could lead to have current relevance- who knows till they start investigating
IT seems exactly the kind of thing they should at least look at. Given Bud's track record, I doubt we hear about it again
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Originally Posted by TheoShmeo
On the other hand, it was arguably more effective and put a finer point on the probelm to name some names. The two trainers Mitchell found enabled him to do that. It certainly wasn't uniform and it wasn't particular at all palatable to the fans of the teams most impacted, but I could understand how one could view the report as achieving its objectives better by going the way Mitchell went.
But however you look at that, we're talking about a judgment call (unless you buy that Mitchell was involved in some kind of conspiracy).
How does what Mitchell did " put a finer point on the problem "??
Did it give any insight into how prevalent the problem was? No. They just used Radomski and McNamee- who fell into their laps- apart from them where was the real investigation?
Naming a few names out of 100's only accomplished sensationalizing the issue and creating more scapegoats. There has been nothing but sensationalizing since the whole circus started. Mitchell's report, at great expense, accomplished nothing in terms of defining the scope of the problem
It's the "objectives" you mentioned that were the problem. In typical BudLite fashion it was poorly conceived from the start.
We also wonder how much you would be defending the report and it's author if he had been on the Yankees board?
Who is the "we"?
Let's be clear. I think Mitchell should not have been offered the job and should nhot have taken it. I think the Report was weak. There's a big steroid problem and some players took PEDs. Really, George? It was too expensive for what we got. I would have advised Mitchell not to name names given the uneven aspect of all this.
But I think that naming names was an understandable judgment call and, more to the point, I think that the suggestion that Mitchell's Red Sox ties lead him to pervert the report in some way is silly.
Last, I don't think that baseball should continue to follow up leads and investigate the past, and I write that as someone who is not a fan of witch hunts. Nothing a subsequent report reveals is going to educate me. The Sox had PED users in the past, as did all teams, and a down and dirty report wont change anything in my mind. Frankly, a more thorough investigation would have revealed a lot of information on every team in baseball, and anyone who doesn't understand that reality without a second, third or fourth report is just missing it.
On the other hand, it was arguably more effective and put a finer point on the probelm to name some names. The two trainers Mitchell found enabled him to do that. It certainly wasn't uniform and it wasn't particular at all palatable to the fans of the teams most impacted, but I could understand how one could view the report as achieving its objectives better by going the way Mitchell went.
But however you look at that, we're talking about a judgment call (unless you buy that Mitchell was involved in some kind of conspiracy).
How does what Mitchell did " put a finer point on the problem "??
Did it give any insight into how prevalent the problem was? No. They just used Radomski and McNamee- who fell into their laps- apart from them where was the real investigation?
Naming a few names out of 100's only accomplished sensationalizing the issue and creating more scapegoats. There has been nothing but sensationalizing since the whole circus started. Mitchell's report, at great expense, accomplished nothing in terms of defining the scope of the problem
It's the "objectives" you mentioned that were the problem. In typical BudLite fashion it was poorly conceived from the start.
We also wonder how much you would be defending the report and it's author if he had been on the Yankees board?
Who is the "we"?
Let's be clear. I think Mitchell should not have been offered the job and should nhot have taken it. I think the Report was weak. There's a big steroid problem and some players took PEDs. Really, George? It was too expensive for what we got. I would have advised Mitchell not to name names given the uneven aspect of all this.
But I think that naming names was an understandable judgment call and, more to the point, I think that the suggestion that Mitchell's Red Sox ties lead him to pervert the report in some way is silly.
Last, I don't think that baseball should continue to follow up leads and investigate the past, and I write that as someone who is not a fan of witch hunts. Nothing a subsequent report reveals is going to educate me. The Sox had PED users in the past, as did all teams, and a down and dirty report wont change anything in my mind. Frankly, a more thorough investigation would have revealed a lot of information on every team in baseball, and anyone who doesn't understand that reality without a second, third or fourth report is just missing it.
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Rolen for Glaus a done deal
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Seems like they are very similar value overall, with glaus being the better offensive player and rolen being the far better defensive player.
Both are pretty injury prone but Rolen a bit moreso.
Both weren't too happy about their former situations.
Looks lieka dice roll, whoever stays healthier will ge the better end of the deal.
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Seems like they are very similar value overall, with glaus being the better offensive player and rolen being the far better defensive player.
Both are pretty injury prone but Rolen a bit moreso.
Both weren't too happy about their former situations.
Looks lieka dice roll, whoever stays healthier will ge the better end of the deal.
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The Rays are dangerously close to being competitive, writes Joe Henderson.
No Laughing Matter
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By Joe Henderson
Published: January 13, 2008
ST. PETERSBURG - This column should come with a warning. It is about Rays baseball and it does not focus on how good things are going to be three or four years from now. We won't speculate about how bad things are going to be this season, which has been an annual rite of spring for more than a decade.
That's because - inhale, exhale - these guys are dangerously close to being competitive right now.
It's understandable if you need to take a moment.
But, honestly, as spring training approaches, the catwalk commandoes are generating a little buzz. They have more than just a new name (they dropped the Devil), new uniforms (they dropped the green), and plans for a new stadium (as long as we don't have to pay for it, take your best shot).
They have a new outlook. They're talking about winning games NOW. It has always been about the future with this organization. We're not saying the future has arrived, but things are finally looking up.
We grab on to what we can around here.
"I won't put a number out there on how many games we might win, because there are so many variables - injuries, things like that," Rays vice president Andrew Friedman said. "But we feel very good where we are, both now and for seasons to come."
Normally, we'd insert the laugh track here, because it's reasonable to ask what would constitute "very good." When you've never won more than 70 times in one season, the bar is low enough to trip over.
Would 71 wins be a success? Would it take 75?
Could we stand the rush of 80 wins?
Could it be that, finally, Major League Baseball has actually come here?
Plugged Some Holes
Best-case scenario: If things break right, the Rays could challenge Toronto for third place in the American League East. That won't trigger many champagne showers, but after what we've seen here for years, it'll do for now.
The defense up the middle should be vastly improved. Moving Akinori Iwamura to second base fills one of those spots with a potential gold glove. Shortstop Jason Bartlett, acquired in the Delmon Young trade, will get to balls that would have scooted well past Brendan Harris last season.
Reality check: There is no replacing Young's arm in right field, and Bartlett, it's only fair to point out, did make 26 errors last year for the Twins - mostly on errant throws. And if rookie third baseman Evan Longoria starts the season in the minors (which, by pure coincidence we're sure, would keep his free-agent clock from starting), that will be a bad thing.
A very bad thing.
Matt Garza, the other key piece of the Delmon swap, will go right into the starting rotation at No. 3. That means someone in the Edwin Jackson, Andy Sonnanstine, Jason Hammel triumvirate will be out of a starting gig.
That is a good thing, and more young talent is close.
"The guys who do make it are going to look over their shoulders," Friedman said.
Maybe the biggest improvement will be the bullpen.
Last year, a call to the pen meant likely disaster. Brian Stokes started the year as the eighth-inning man. We saw way too much of Shawn Camp. This bullpen will be much better, if only because the back-end guys are veterans with a track record.
It does come with an asterisk. Troy Percival, the new closer, comes with no guarantees that his right arm will hold up - but it's a risk worth taking. Al Reyes drops to the eighth inning, where his impact could be profound if he is close to as effective as he was last year as the closer.
Dan Wheeler in the seventh inning? Sounds better than Chad Orvella.
Plan Is Looking Good
We've all been around. We know this could go south in a hurry. Let us count the ways it could, starting with the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees. And like we said, "improvement" is a relative term.
"We've made significant headway, but we've got a lot of work to do. Our biggest challenge here was changing the mind-set of the organization, and specifically the players," Friedman said.
We all pressured owner Stu Sternberg to sign a bunch of free agents when he took over the team more than two years ago. He wouldn't do it because he put his money into scouting and player development. The Rays lost more than 100 games his first season, lost 96 last year. There was a plan, though.
It now looks like the right one.
The Rays have focused on the things that should have been part of the original blueprint more than a decade ago. They're doing things now, like their Venezuelan academy, an expansion team would do. It's starting to pay off.
But that's in the future and we're not going there, not just yet.
For a change, the present doesn't look so bad. The Rays, dare we say it, could be an interesting and intriguing team. That may take some getting used to, but it's worth a shot.
No Laughing Matter
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/13/sp-no-laughing-matter/?sports-rays
By Joe Henderson
Published: January 13, 2008
ST. PETERSBURG - This column should come with a warning. It is about Rays baseball and it does not focus on how good things are going to be three or four years from now. We won't speculate about how bad things are going to be this season, which has been an annual rite of spring for more than a decade.
That's because - inhale, exhale - these guys are dangerously close to being competitive right now.
It's understandable if you need to take a moment.
But, honestly, as spring training approaches, the catwalk commandoes are generating a little buzz. They have more than just a new name (they dropped the Devil), new uniforms (they dropped the green), and plans for a new stadium (as long as we don't have to pay for it, take your best shot).
They have a new outlook. They're talking about winning games NOW. It has always been about the future with this organization. We're not saying the future has arrived, but things are finally looking up.
We grab on to what we can around here.
"I won't put a number out there on how many games we might win, because there are so many variables - injuries, things like that," Rays vice president Andrew Friedman said. "But we feel very good where we are, both now and for seasons to come."
Normally, we'd insert the laugh track here, because it's reasonable to ask what would constitute "very good." When you've never won more than 70 times in one season, the bar is low enough to trip over.
Would 71 wins be a success? Would it take 75?
Could we stand the rush of 80 wins?
Could it be that, finally, Major League Baseball has actually come here?
Plugged Some Holes
Best-case scenario: If things break right, the Rays could challenge Toronto for third place in the American League East. That won't trigger many champagne showers, but after what we've seen here for years, it'll do for now.
The defense up the middle should be vastly improved. Moving Akinori Iwamura to second base fills one of those spots with a potential gold glove. Shortstop Jason Bartlett, acquired in the Delmon Young trade, will get to balls that would have scooted well past Brendan Harris last season.
Reality check: There is no replacing Young's arm in right field, and Bartlett, it's only fair to point out, did make 26 errors last year for the Twins - mostly on errant throws. And if rookie third baseman Evan Longoria starts the season in the minors (which, by pure coincidence we're sure, would keep his free-agent clock from starting), that will be a bad thing.
A very bad thing.
Matt Garza, the other key piece of the Delmon swap, will go right into the starting rotation at No. 3. That means someone in the Edwin Jackson, Andy Sonnanstine, Jason Hammel triumvirate will be out of a starting gig.
That is a good thing, and more young talent is close.
"The guys who do make it are going to look over their shoulders," Friedman said.
Maybe the biggest improvement will be the bullpen.
Last year, a call to the pen meant likely disaster. Brian Stokes started the year as the eighth-inning man. We saw way too much of Shawn Camp. This bullpen will be much better, if only because the back-end guys are veterans with a track record.
It does come with an asterisk. Troy Percival, the new closer, comes with no guarantees that his right arm will hold up - but it's a risk worth taking. Al Reyes drops to the eighth inning, where his impact could be profound if he is close to as effective as he was last year as the closer.
Dan Wheeler in the seventh inning? Sounds better than Chad Orvella.
Plan Is Looking Good
We've all been around. We know this could go south in a hurry. Let us count the ways it could, starting with the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees. And like we said, "improvement" is a relative term.
"We've made significant headway, but we've got a lot of work to do. Our biggest challenge here was changing the mind-set of the organization, and specifically the players," Friedman said.
We all pressured owner Stu Sternberg to sign a bunch of free agents when he took over the team more than two years ago. He wouldn't do it because he put his money into scouting and player development. The Rays lost more than 100 games his first season, lost 96 last year. There was a plan, though.
It now looks like the right one.
The Rays have focused on the things that should have been part of the original blueprint more than a decade ago. They're doing things now, like their Venezuelan academy, an expansion team would do. It's starting to pay off.
But that's in the future and we're not going there, not just yet.
For a change, the present doesn't look so bad. The Rays, dare we say it, could be an interesting and intriguing team. That may take some getting used to, but it's worth a shot.
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By MARC TOPKIN, Times Staff Writer
Published January 13, 2008
By MARC TOPKIN, Times Staff Writer
Published January 13, 2008
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/13/Rays/Payroll_blows_past_pr.shtml
ST. PETERSBURG - Three interesting things to come out of last week's spring-training-is-closer-than-you-think media session:
- The payroll most likely will exceed $40-million, a significant increase nearly 70 percent from last season's opening day $24-million.
The Rays have more than $20-million committed to seven players (Carl Crawford, $5.25-million; Troy Percival, $4-million; Cliff Floyd, $2.75-million; Akinori Iwamura, $2.4-million; Al Reyes, $2.3-million; Rocco Baldelli, $2.25-million; Gary Glover $1.075-million); four players remaining in arbitration (Carlos Pena, Scott Kazmir, Dan Wheeler and Jonny Gomes) who could make $13-million to $14-million; 12 or 13 players who will get the $390,000 minimum or slightly more; and openings for a backup catcher, super-utility type and left-handed reliever. Plus millions in incentives.
The increase is considerably larger than the 20 percent promised by principal owner Stuart Sternberg but won't be a problem or force other cuts, executive VP Andrew Friedman said.
"From the original thoughts that all of us had, we're a good bit above that number and it's just the way things worked out," Friedman said. "It's the opportunistic approach that we had this offseason."
Friedman is confident all four arbitration cases will be settled by Friday's filing of figures - his deadline to cease talks and proceed to a hearing.
- It would seem an unusual way to do things, but Friedman said the Rays might decide before 3B prospect Evan Longoria gets to spring training whether or not he's on the team.
The thinking is that the Rays already know enough about him, that talent evaluations during the spring are often skewed by circumstance and level of competition, and that deciding beforehand would reduce scrutiny (and pressure) on his day-to-day play.
But doing so would seem to make sense only if they decide Longoria, 22, isn't going to make the team. That way, it eliminates the question from being a daily issue, as well as a potential controversy if Longoria were to put up huge spring numbers.
- No matter what else the Rays have done, a huge key remains Baldelli's health.
The official plan is for the oft-injured Baldelli to DH while Gomes and Floyd share rightfield, but manager Joe Maddon acknowledged he'd prefer to use Floyd, 35, as the DH as much as possible with Baldelli in the field. Plus, in some roster configurations, Baldelli is needed as the backup centerfielder.
Baldelli said he has been working out and running three days a week with no problems from his previously troubling hamstrings and plans to "turn it up a notch" after returning to Florida at the end of the month. "If I can hit and kind of take it easy running, I think everything will fall right into place after that," he said.
RAYS RUMBLINGS: C Dioner Navarro joined the La Guaira team for the Venezuelan league playoffs. ... The preferred profile for the wanted "super-utility" player is a left-handed hitter who can play first and third and fill in at the corner outfield spots, and likely would be acquired via trade. ... Ex-Rays OF Damon Hollins returned from Japan and signed a minor-league deal with Kansas City. RHP Lance Carter did the same with Toronto. LHP Jon Switzer signed with Boston. ... Fred Repke, whose signees include P James Shields, Longoria and P Jake McGee, was named scout of the year and roving hitting instructor Steve Livesey the top player development man. ... And for those who keep asking, the Trop can't be "converted" to an outdoor stadium by removing the roof and some walls because it was built with no drainage or weatherproofing (and would be very costly to do). ... Triple-A Durham also has started a fund (accessible through durhambulls.com or by calling (919) 687-6555) for manager Charlie Montoyo, whose son Alex was born with a heart defect.
MISCELLANY: The Orioles are exploring moving their spring base from Fort Lauderdale to Vero Beach as a replacement for the Dodgers. ... Tampa's Luis Gonzalez, a free agent, is talking to the Marlins about a reserve OF/1B job, and maybe the Mariners. ... Ex-Ray Aubrey Huff had sports hernia surgery but is due back when the O's start full-squad workouts Feb. 19. ... The Mets seem the front-runners for Johan Santana.
Marc Topkin can be reached at topkin@sptimes.com.
FAST FACTS
How they're looking/33 days till spring training
An occasional guess at the Rays' projected opening day lineup (vs. Baltimore lefty Erik Bedard) and roster based on their current composition. Players in bold are set, in light type are likely and in italics are current top choices with more moves expected:
1. Akinori Iwamura, 2B
2. Carl Crawford, LF
3. Carlos Pena, 1B
4. B.J. Upton, CF
5. Rocco Baldelli, DH
6. Jonny Gomes, RF
7. Joel Guzman, 3B
8. Dioner Navarro, C
9. Jason Bartlett, SS
Reserves
Cliff Floyd, OF
Mike Difelice, C
Ben Zobrist, INF
Justin Ruggiano, OF
Starters
Scott Kazmir, LHP
James Shields
Matt Garza
Edwin Jackson
Andy Sonnanstine
Relievers
Troy Percival
Al Reyes
Dan Wheeler
Gary Glover
Scott Dohmann
Jason Hammel
Kurt Birkins, LHP
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Jocketty Turns Down Yanks?
Ht: Steve L from Waswatching.com
http://www.twincities.com/ci_7956099?source=most_viewed&nclick_check=1
Via Charley Walters
As predicted, Minneapolis native Walter Jocketty, who was general manager for two St. Louis Cardinals' World Series clubs, has been named special adviser to Cincinnati Reds CEO Bob Castellini. Insiders say Jocketty declined similar positions with the New York Yankees, San Diego Padres and Seattle Mariners. Had he wanted, it's a good bet he could have been the GM in waiting (two years) of the Yankees. But he's much smarter than that.
Interesting. I wonder who it was in the Yankees chain of command that made the offer to Jocketty?
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...PEDs are already a distant memory in this Yankee fan's mind."
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this will go on and on and on
ANDY PETTITTE will be bashed all season
CHEAT - TAH....you know whats coming from the Roid Sox Fans
i hope our fans have something in response, because i am sick to death over their BS. ROID SOX...ROID SOX...ROID SOX
here ...mac is a joker
1.) Pettitte first asked McNamee about using human growth hormone during the 2001-02 offseason, the report says, and McNamee at the time discouraged him from using it. But in the spring of 2002, while Pettitte was recovering from elbow tendinitis, McNamee injected Pettitte with HGH. In 2003, when the BALCO case first broke, Pettitte asked McNamee what to say if asked about performance enhancers. McNamee told him to do what he liked. They never discussed the subject again.
2.)
While trying to expand beyond his Yankees training duties, McNamee began referring to himself as Dr. McNamee in his side gigs. He was featured in InVite's promotional magazine as "Dr. Brian McNamee, Ph.D," used the e-mail address "McNameePHD," and told people he had earned his doctorate at Columbus University in Louisiana. Columbus now operates out of Mississippi, after the state of Louisiana shut it down in 2001 for being a "diploma mill," churning out degrees to people who did little or no academic work.
Despite his efforts to branch out, McNamee kept a low profile until October of 2001, when he was suddenly in the New York tabloids. According to police reports, an employee of a St. Petersburg, Fla., hotel where the Yankees were staying had noticed a man and a woman apparently having sex in the hotel pool, while another man looked on from a few feet away. All three were naked in the pool. One of the men, Charles Wonsowicz, the former St. John's pitcher who was now the Yankees' video technician, left immediately when confronted by the employee. The other, McNamee, continued to hold on to the woman until the hotel employee asked him to leave again, according to police documents.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153874
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this will go on and on and on
ANDY PETTITTE will be bashed all season
CHEAT - TAH....you know whats coming from the Roid Sox Fans
i hope our fans have something in response, because i am sick to death over their BS. ROID SOX...ROID SOX...ROID SOX
here ...mac is a joker
1.) Pettitte first asked McNamee about using human growth hormone during the 2001-02 offseason, the report says, and McNamee at the time discouraged him from using it. But in the spring of 2002, while Pettitte was recovering from elbow tendinitis, McNamee injected Pettitte with HGH. In 2003, when the BALCO case first broke, Pettitte asked McNamee what to say if asked about performance enhancers. McNamee told him to do what he liked. They never discussed the subject again.
2.)
While trying to expand beyond his Yankees training duties, McNamee began referring to himself as Dr. McNamee in his side gigs. He was featured in InVite's promotional magazine as "Dr. Brian McNamee, Ph.D," used the e-mail address "McNameePHD," and told people he had earned his doctorate at Columbus University in Louisiana. Columbus now operates out of Mississippi, after the state of Louisiana shut it down in 2001 for being a "diploma mill," churning out degrees to people who did little or no academic work.
Despite his efforts to branch out, McNamee kept a low profile until October of 2001, when he was suddenly in the New York tabloids. According to police reports, an employee of a St. Petersburg, Fla., hotel where the Yankees were staying had noticed a man and a woman apparently having sex in the hotel pool, while another man looked on from a few feet away. All three were naked in the pool. One of the men, Charles Wonsowicz, the former St. John's pitcher who was now the Yankees' video technician, left immediately when confronted by the employee. The other, McNamee, continued to hold on to the woman until the hotel employee asked him to leave again, according to police documents.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153874
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here ...mac is a joker
1.) Pettitte first asked McNamee about using human growth hormone during the 2001-02 offseason, the report says, and McNamee at the time discouraged him from using it. But in the spring of 2002, while Pettitte was recovering from elbow tendinitis, McNamee injected Pettitte with HGH. In 2003, when the BALCO case first broke, Pettitte asked McNamee what to say if asked about performance enhancers. McNamee told him to do what he liked. They never discussed the subject again.
2.)
While trying to expand beyond his Yankees training duties, McNamee began referring to himself as Dr. McNamee in his side gigs. He was featured in InVite's promotional magazine as "Dr. Brian McNamee, Ph.D," used the e-mail address "McNameePHD," and told people he had earned his doctorate at Columbus University in Louisiana. Columbus now operates out of Mississippi, after the state of Louisiana shut it down in 2001 for being a "diploma mill," churning out degrees to people who did little or no academic work.
Despite his efforts to branch out, McNamee kept a low profile until October of 2001, when he was suddenly in the New York tabloids. According to police reports, an employee of a St. Petersburg, Fla., hotel where the Yankees were staying had noticed a man and a woman apparently having sex in the hotel pool, while another man looked on from a few feet away. All three were naked in the pool. One of the men, Charles Wonsowicz, the former St. John's pitcher who was now the Yankees' video technician, left immediately when confronted by the employee. The other, McNamee, continued to hold on to the woman until the hotel employee asked him to leave again, according to police documents.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153874
1.) Pettitte first asked McNamee about using human growth hormone during the 2001-02 offseason, the report says, and McNamee at the time discouraged him from using it. But in the spring of 2002, while Pettitte was recovering from elbow tendinitis, McNamee injected Pettitte with HGH. In 2003, when the BALCO case first broke, Pettitte asked McNamee what to say if asked about performance enhancers. McNamee told him to do what he liked. They never discussed the subject again.
2.)
While trying to expand beyond his Yankees training duties, McNamee began referring to himself as Dr. McNamee in his side gigs. He was featured in InVite's promotional magazine as "Dr. Brian McNamee, Ph.D," used the e-mail address "McNameePHD," and told people he had earned his doctorate at Columbus University in Louisiana. Columbus now operates out of Mississippi, after the state of Louisiana shut it down in 2001 for being a "diploma mill," churning out degrees to people who did little or no academic work.
Despite his efforts to branch out, McNamee kept a low profile until October of 2001, when he was suddenly in the New York tabloids. According to police reports, an employee of a St. Petersburg, Fla., hotel where the Yankees were staying had noticed a man and a woman apparently having sex in the hotel pool, while another man looked on from a few feet away. All three were naked in the pool. One of the men, Charles Wonsowicz, the former St. John's pitcher who was now the Yankees' video technician, left immediately when confronted by the employee. The other, McNamee, continued to hold on to the woman until the hotel employee asked him to leave again, according to police documents.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153874
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"Committee on Oversight and Government Reform chairman Henry A. Waxman and Ranking Minority Member Tom Davis released a joint statement on the rescheduling: "The Oversight Committee will postpone the hearing until February 13, 2008, which is after the sentencing of Kirk Radomski. The witnesses to be invited to the rescheduled hearing are Brian McNamee, Kirk Radomski, Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch and Roger Clemens. In preparation for the hearing, we will ask each witness to provide the Committee with a deposition. Postponing the hearing will provide additional time to coordinate the Committee's investigation with the Justice Department's ongoing efforts."
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yank...
Right now Congresses' approval rating stands at a hearty 26 percent. Is it any wonder? Instead of concentrating on matters of national importance oh say the war, healthcare, education, the faltering economy, our representatives are looking into steroid allegations of Major League Baseball players from five years ago. On top of that, three of our Yankees will be forced to testify in front of Congress with no immunity. As if the Mitchell report wasn't an entire joke to begin with, now the American Public can get another circus act to feast its appetite for buffoonery on.
We're done being disgusted by all these steroid antics here at NYYSI. Instead, we're going to enjoy the entertainment, sit back, grab some peanuts, and laugh at all the clowns from afar.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yank...
Right now Congresses' approval rating stands at a hearty 26 percent. Is it any wonder? Instead of concentrating on matters of national importance oh say the war, healthcare, education, the faltering economy, our representatives are looking into steroid allegations of Major League Baseball players from five years ago. On top of that, three of our Yankees will be forced to testify in front of Congress with no immunity. As if the Mitchell report wasn't an entire joke to begin with, now the American Public can get another circus act to feast its appetite for buffoonery on.
We're done being disgusted by all these steroid antics here at NYYSI. Instead, we're going to enjoy the entertainment, sit back, grab some peanuts, and laugh at all the clowns from afar.
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The Red Sox don't need Johan. They have a great rotation. They aren't going to give up too much to get.
The Yankees prospects are good. They aren't willing to match the Twins' demands because they are feel that their prospects will be, in total, more valuable than Johan.
The Mets feel the same way as the Yankees with the five-player deal, but their prospects are further away from the major league level and they didn't do as well in the 2007 season. They need it the most and they are being the most aggressive at it.
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The Yankees prospects are good. They aren't willing to match the Twins' demands because they are feel that their prospects will be, in total, more valuable than Johan.
The Mets feel the same way as the Yankees with the five-player deal, but their prospects are further away from the major league level and they didn't do as well in the 2007 season. They need it the most and they are being the most aggressive at it.
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Hello everyone.
Die hard Yankee fan here looking for a good place to discuss NY baseball.
Unlike many of my bretheren, I have actually rooted for the Mets on some occasions (albeit only a few).
Having recently spent a good chunk of my life in the military, I've been exposed to the anti-NY sports bias the rest of our countrymen revel in.
The sweetest sporting moment of my life was Girardi's triple off Maddux in '96 game 6, not only because it was the first championship of the dynasty but because I was the only NYer in a room full of tobacco chewin', NY hating, southerners.
So, going forward, if you disagree with the opinions of this Yankee fan, take solace in the fact that we can still share a healthy hatred of the Atlanta Braves together. cool.gif
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Great to see another pinstriper at this site. I'm also a die-hard Yankees fan who also roots for the Mets(except when they play against the Yankees). The memory of Game 6 remains fresh in back of my head. I truly miss that 90's Dynasty Team as I have mentioned here before. They had the heart and chemistry that helped them win. Enjoy your stay here, Highlander.
Die hard Yankee fan here looking for a good place to discuss NY baseball.
Unlike many of my bretheren, I have actually rooted for the Mets on some occasions (albeit only a few).
Having recently spent a good chunk of my life in the military, I've been exposed to the anti-NY sports bias the rest of our countrymen revel in.
The sweetest sporting moment of my life was Girardi's triple off Maddux in '96 game 6, not only because it was the first championship of the dynasty but because I was the only NYer in a room full of tobacco chewin', NY hating, southerners.
So, going forward, if you disagree with the opinions of this Yankee fan, take solace in the fact that we can still share a healthy hatred of the Atlanta Braves together. cool.gif
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Great to see another pinstriper at this site. I'm also a die-hard Yankees fan who also roots for the Mets(except when they play against the Yankees). The memory of Game 6 remains fresh in back of my head. I truly miss that 90's Dynasty Team as I have mentioned here before. They had the heart and chemistry that helped them win. Enjoy your stay here, Highlander.
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Why Roger Clemens is a liar...
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1) he first said he was never injected with anything
2) he says he will take a lie dector and testify for congress, but now is hedging on both, smart money says he never does either (unless suponea'd)
3) says he was injected with B-12, yet has no perscription for it
4) Said he though his personal trainer was a doctor (I laughed my a$s off at this)
5) Was way too arrogant and cocky in that press conference. He sounded a lot like Marion Jones did 4-5 years ago
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1) he first said he was never injected with anything
2) he says he will take a lie dector and testify for congress, but now is hedging on both, smart money says he never does either (unless suponea'd)
3) says he was injected with B-12, yet has no perscription for it
4) Said he though his personal trainer was a doctor (I laughed my a$s off at this)
5) Was way too arrogant and cocky in that press conference. He sounded a lot like Marion Jones did 4-5 years ago
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what is a li-ah?
is there any ACTUAL PROOF that McNamee lied??
pssst why didnt mitchell let hailin investigate again????????
http://www.miamiherald.com/591/story/344322.html luis perez
The Mitchell Report revealed steroid and other drug use on the Marlins from 1998 to 2001, when bullpen catcher Luis Perez was providing them.
Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte and Miguel Tejada might have been the biggest names released Thursday when the Mitchell Report -- a 20-month investigation into big-league baseball's steroid era -- finally was made public.
But the Marlins had their own chapter in the report, which revealed that bullpen catcher Luis Perez, who was with the Marlins from 1998 through 2001, supplied steroids and other drugs to just about every member of the Marlins.
However, the report did not name any Marlins connected with Perez from that period of time.
In an interview with Kevin Hallinan, the commissioner's senior vice president for security, and his deputy, Martin Maguire, Perez admitted he was the main source for not only steroids but other illegal drugs to just about every Marlins player.
The report states that Perez said ``two players asked if he could obtain steroids for them. After he was successful in doing so, word spread and he became a source of players to acquire steroids and other drugs.
``Perez alleged that he had witnessed widespread use of steroids and other drugs. According to Hallinan's memo, Perez told baseball officials ``that virtually every player on the Marlins was doing something from steroids to greenies to marijuana etc.''
The report also states that after Perez became the bullpen catcher in Montreal in 2002 that he ``also claimed that every pitcher in Montreal's bullpen was on some form of steroids.''
UGLY DETAILS
The report said Perez told Hallinan that when ``teams were in San Diego, players often crossed the border into Mexico to obtain illegal substances. He said he knew of other clubhouse employees with other teams who were similarly called upon to obtain drugs for players -- Perez also claimed he was paid as much as $500 by certain players to carry their bags to and from Canada.''
The report states that Perez's attorney gave Hallinan and Maguire a ``typed list of players and their drugs of choice. The list identified eight players [Astros, Marlins and Expos] who had acquired anabolic steroids and 12 others who had obtained other drugs.''
The report said 'Hallinan told us [Mitchell] the Perez incident could have been the most important in the `steroids investigation.' But to his disappointment, he was not given permission to interview the major-league players on the list.''
Major League Baseball never would have interviewed Perez about steroid use, but in 2002 while working with the Expos, Perez asked a Marlins clubhouse attendant to take a bag back to Florida for him.
The bag was padlocked, which caused Marlins equipment manager John Silverman to be suspicious. Silverman opened the bag to find one pound of marijuana. Montreal police were called in and Hallinan interviewed Perez, who later was fined $5,000 for the incident. It was in a later interview that Perez opened up to Hallinan and Maguire.
The report also goes into detail about another steroid incident in the Marlins' clubhouse involving former Marlins pitcher Ricky Bones.
THE BONES SITUATION
In late June 2000, six syringes and six vials containing two types of anabolic steroids were found in Bones' locker in the team's clubhouse. Bones claimed he had the medication from his physician in Puerto Rico to self-administer for pain because of his degenerative hip. After Bones left baseball, he had hip-replacement surgery. Then-Marlins general manager Dave Dombrowski informed the commissioner's office and was told they would ``take it from there.''
Several former Marlins are mentioned in the report. Outfielder Gary Sheffield and catcher Benito Santiago both were linked with the BALCO investigations that came well after Perez left the Marlins; pitcher Kevin Brown and catcher Paul Lo Duca were with the Dodgers at the time they were linked, according to the report and catcher Greg Zaun was linked when he was a member of the Royals. Veteran pitchers Ron Villone and Matt Herges also were named in the report, which mentions no current Marlins
In a piece he wrote for this week?s ESPN The Magazine (subscription required to read), Crawford admitted to using steroids and HGH while with Boston from 2000-01. Check out this excerpt, which also seems to shed a controversial light on the Sox clubhouse at that time.
?During minor league spring training with the Red Sox in 1999, some of the other guys saw I was hurting. They told me that if I took this stuff, it would make the pain go away and cut my recovery time in half. Shoot, why not? I'm just a country boy; I didn't even think twice.
?I was probably using the most back in 2001, when I made the Red Sox rotation out of spring training. About that time I was getting pretty big, and another player introduced me to human growth hormone, which had started to make the rounds in the majors. I got a kit with two bottles: One was filled with some kind of water, and the other was filled with these tiny crystals. I put a few drops into the crystals and -- poof! -- it became liquid. I thought, Boy, what the h*ll are you putting into your body? But I did it anyway.
?Back in 2001, I thought I was the man. I had no shame, and I thought nobody could touch me. One time, I walked right into the Red Sox clubhouse with a bunch of needles wrapped in a towel and left them on my chair. A few minutes later, one of my teammates came running over, saying, ?Paxton, someone knocked your chair over and your freaking needles are all over the floor!? Man, we just died about that. He said it was the funniest thing he'd ever seen, told me I was nuts. But that's the way it was back then.?
The 28-year-old Crawford went 5-1 for the Red Sox in 2000 and 2001, but never pitched at the major league level after that.
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The McNamee Quote
Much of the pre-news conference chatter among reporters focused on the defamation lawsuit that Clemens filed Sunday night against McNamee. In the suit, McNamee is quoted at length talking about his interview with federal investigators. McNamee says federal investigators told him he had "three strikes to go to jail" and they demanded information specifically regarding Clemens' use of steroids.
Clemens' suit uses the quote to suggest that McNamee was pressured by federal investigators to make untrue statements about Clemens, and goes on to say McNamee was pressured to reiterate the statements to former U.S. Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell for his report on steroids in baseball.
McNamee's attorney, Earl Ward, was present during his interviews with federal investigators and has said McNamee was not pressured or bullied.
Question Raised: Where did McNamee's long quote in the lawsuit come from?
Answer: Clemens' attorney, Rusty Hardin, said that McNamee talked at length to two private investigators -- both former Houston police officers -- hired by his firm. McNamee told them about his interview with federal investigators and Mitchell and said that assistant U.S. attorney Matthew Parrella, who is working on the BALCO case, told him "we know [more] about you than you know about yourself. You're going to jail. Let's go back to when you first met Clemens in '98."
Question Raised: Why would McNamee talk to private investigators?
Answer: According to Hardin, eight days before the Mitchell Report was released, McNamee called Hendricks Sports Management, the baseball agency that represents Clemens and Andy Pettitte, looking to get in touch with the pitcher. According to Hardin, McNamee told a Hendricks representative that he had told Mitchell's investigators that Clemens used steroids and human growth hormone. "He said that he wanted to apologize to Roger and Andy," Hardin said. On the day before the Mitchell Report was released, McNamee agreed to talk with two private investigators from Hardin's office. According to Hardin, McNamee spoke with them cooperatively for hours, telling them about his interviews with federal and Mitchell Commission investigators.
Question Raised: Roger Clemens told Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes that he was caught by surprise when his name appeared in the Mitchell Report and that had he known the allegations that would be made against him in the report he would have gone to Mitchell to refute them. If Clemens' legal team dispatched investigators to talk with McNamee before the report came out, doesn't that mean Clemens did know that he would be accused of using steroids and human growth hormone?
Answer: According to Hardin, it was not until the day before the report was released that Clemens learned what McNamee had told Mitchell, and there was no time to give Mitchell a reply. Hardin added that Clemens still did not know whether McNamee's statements would be included in the report until it came out.
Question Raised: But why didn't Clemens come out with a denial as soon as the report was made public?
Answer: Hardin said that he advised Clemens not to make public statements until his legal team could adequately acquaint itself both with Clemens himself, who was a new client, and with the Mitchell Report. "I didn't know Roger from Adam before this," Hardin said, "I didn't know if he was telling the truth ... after spending three weeks with him, I believe he's telling the truth."
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Question Raised: What do McNamee's lawyers make of the fact that he spoke with Hardin's investigators?
Answer: "It was incredibly foolhardy of Brian to have spoken to them," said Richard D. Emery, one of McNamee's attorneys. The quote is "taken out of context. Brian is trying to be conciliatory to Clemens." As far as the conduct of prosecutors in their interviews with McNamee, Emery reiterated that Earl Ward was a witness to the interviews, and said that prosecutors "acted completely professionally throughout."
The Clemens/McNamee Tape
The most unexpected development in the news conference came when Clemens' team played a 17-minute tape of a phone conversation between Clemens and McNamee that occurred last Friday. On the tape, Clemens expresses his displeasure with the scrutiny he is undergoing, and tells McNamee that "I just don't know why you did it." McNamee, whose voice is breaking at times, repeatedly implores Clemens to "tell me what you want me to do ... you treated me better than anybody."
Question Raised: Where did this tape come from?
Answer: Clemens was with his legal team during the phone call, and they recorded the conversation.
Question Raised: Why were McNamee and Clemens talking on the phone Friday?
Answer: Lawyers for Clemens and McNamee agree that McNamee sought the audience. McNamee's 10-year-old son, Brian Jr., who idolizes Clemens, is sick, and McNamee e-mailed Clemens hoping that Clemens would talk to Brian Jr. and perhaps soothe some of his distress over the maelstrom that has engulfed his father and favorite player.
Question Raised: What did the tape show?
Answer: Not surprisingly, that depends which side you ask. Hardin characterized the conversation as bizarre behavior for someone who claims to have told the truth. "The guy makes allegations against someone," Hardin said incredulously, "and then calls and asks for his help and asks what he wants him to do." Hardin said he wanted to play the tape to give people who had not already condemned Clemens more information with which to consider McNamee's credibility. On the other side, Emery was disgusted by the use of the tape. "Here's Clemens getting on the phone with his former friend whose son [is both seriously ill and upset] ... and in a cynical and calculated way he sat on the phone with his lawyers trying to lure Brian to say something that Brian didn't say."
Question Raised: What did Brian say?
Answer: Mostly that he was sorry and upset for all the pain that had been caused, and that Clemens had "treated me like family." He did not, however, directly address the veracity of his statements about Clemens' use of performance-enhancing drugs.
Question Raised: If Clemens knew McNamee was lying, why didn't he push him more in the conversation to admit it?
Answer: Hardin said he advised Clemens to be very careful about baiting McNamee. McNamee "is a federal witness now," Hardin said, adding that Clemens had to be careful not to appear to persuade a federal witness or to offer McNamee anything in return for him saying he had lied. Both Clemens and McNamee largely steered clear of any direct discussion of McNamee's allegations. At one point, Clemens said, "I just know I didn't do it." But McNamee responds only with "tell me what you want me to do," as he had several times earlier, including when he offered to attend the Monday news conference.
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Question Raised: If McNamee offered to attend the news conference, why wasn't he there?
Answer: Clemens got off the phone with McNamee saying he would get back to McNamee. Hardin says Clemens then sent McNamee an e-mail saying he was no longer comfortable talking unless McNamee's lawyers approved it. (Emery says he had no knowledge of that e-mail.) Hardin claims that McNamee had not responded by the time Newsday reported on Sunday that a conversation had taken place between Clemens and McNamee. At that point, says Hardin, "We said, 'OK, he leaked it to the media instead of getting back to us,'" and they decided to go forward with playing the tape.
What's Next?
Emery said the defamation lawsuit that Clemens' lawyers filed and the news conference Monday have not yet persuaded him to file a defamation lawsuit on behalf of McNamee.
Emery had previously suggested that Clemens' defamation suit could be an attempt to avoid testifying before Congress on Jan. 16. According to Clemens on Monday, he will testify before Congress, and, said Hardin, "he will not hide behind the Fifth Amendment."
So, it appears likely that Clemens will testify under oath later this month and then perhaps again in a defamation lawsuit, if not in two defamation lawsuits. (McNamee's lawyers will continue to consider filing a defamation suit).
In what has became a crazy game of "he said/he said," it appears that both men will soon have put themselves on the line with statements (McNamee to federal investigators and Clemens to Congress) that, if false, could lead to criminal prosecution.
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6) Had no prior knowledge of his name being in the Mitchell report from McNamee, but then sent private investigators to McNamee's house days before the report came out.
7) "Thought it was the ball" that came at him in the Piazza situation. Later said ,"did not know if it was the bat or the ball". Later said,"I didn't know if he was running down the basepaths".
1.) He was clearly talking about steroids...as mentioned in the question to him. and you are taking things way out of context to "try to prove something"
2.) who told you he was hedging toward anything....the inquirer?
3.) he was seeing a chiropracter for CHRONIC BACK PAIN, not a stubbed toe.
4.) Has Mc Namee lied about saying he WAS A DOCTOR...hint::: the article is right here, on espn shhhhhhhhhhhhh its okay
5.) we know you still admire Roger Clemens, and are merely jealous he did it with out your team at all.....cuz they couldnt hit the ball for him at all
envy - go to confession son
Everyone has read this. You have posted it 1000 times. You fail to mention that while Clemens has filed a suit against McNamee.....it has yet to be served. There is already talk out of his camp that IF the suit is served it might force Clemens to decline his invitation to speak in front of Congress. How convenient that is
7) "Thought it was the ball" that came at him in the Piazza situation. Later said ,"did not know if it was the bat or the ball". Later said,"I didn't know if he was running down the basepaths".
1.) He was clearly talking about steroids...as mentioned in the question to him. and you are taking things way out of context to "try to prove something"
2.) who told you he was hedging toward anything....the inquirer?
3.) he was seeing a chiropracter for CHRONIC BACK PAIN, not a stubbed toe.
4.) Has Mc Namee lied about saying he WAS A DOCTOR...hint::: the article is right here, on espn shhhhhhhhhhhhh its okay
5.) we know you still admire Roger Clemens, and are merely jealous he did it with out your team at all.....cuz they couldnt hit the ball for him at all
envy - go to confession son
Everyone has read this. You have posted it 1000 times. You fail to mention that while Clemens has filed a suit against McNamee.....it has yet to be served. There is already talk out of his camp that IF the suit is served it might force Clemens to decline his invitation to speak in front of Congress. How convenient that is
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Can you please point me to where Clemens and Pettitte claim McNamee was a doctor? A medical doctor?
It's in the same article that says neither player had prescriptions. Can you point me to that article, I forgot to bookmark it.
I have made an extensive search of the internet and ESPN and I can find no reference to Clemens or Pettitte claiming that McNamee said he was a doctor. The only references I can find are the ones that Swifty is refering to above...getting a PhD from a diploma mill....Unless there are specific claims by Roger and Pettitte that they were under the impression that McNamee was a medical doctor (laughable as when would he have gone to medical school, while he was a cop in night school?), then both Pettitte and Clemens have demonstrated poor and very questionable judgement in having a trainer inject them with drugs that they did not have a prescription for.
The fact that Clemens would consult a trainer over a team doctor for the injection of B-12 and lidocaine is an indictment of his character, as well.
YOU are staring to suffer from TIN DISEASE
youre better than that
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its right up above your post, 2 spots up
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153874
there
as far as prescriptions....again..............
CIROPRACTOR FOR BAD BACK
godfather 3 is on right now so i am watching that
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It's in the same article that says neither player had prescriptions. Can you point me to that article, I forgot to bookmark it.
I have made an extensive search of the internet and ESPN and I can find no reference to Clemens or Pettitte claiming that McNamee said he was a doctor. The only references I can find are the ones that Swifty is refering to above...getting a PhD from a diploma mill....Unless there are specific claims by Roger and Pettitte that they were under the impression that McNamee was a medical doctor (laughable as when would he have gone to medical school, while he was a cop in night school?), then both Pettitte and Clemens have demonstrated poor and very questionable judgement in having a trainer inject them with drugs that they did not have a prescription for.
The fact that Clemens would consult a trainer over a team doctor for the injection of B-12 and lidocaine is an indictment of his character, as well.
YOU are staring to suffer from TIN DISEASE
youre better than that
booy yaka shaw
its right up above your post, 2 spots up
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153874
there
as far as prescriptions....again..............
CIROPRACTOR FOR BAD BACK
godfather 3 is on right now so i am watching that
signed
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Will Duncan wrest away the starting 1B job?
Will Duncan wrest away the starting 1B job?
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By Scout.com Wire Services
Posted Jan 12, 2008
Who will the Yankees' starting first baseman be this season? It depends who's pitching.
Against a lefty, it could be right-handed-hitting Shelley Duncan. Jason Giambi could split time at DH, first base and as a bench player. Switch-hitter Wilson Betemit, a novice first baseman, might be the club's best defensive option.
A sleeper candidate is lefty-hitting Juan Miranda, a Cuban exile who had a combined 16 homers and 96 RBIs at Class A and AA last season.
Giambi has put up some impressive numbers in his career—he has 364 home runs, to name one statistic—but he is reaching the end of the line at age 37. Injuries have forced him to miss about half of the season two of the last four years.
When Giambi stays healthy, his numbers have been consistent. Starting in 1999, he has not had fewer than 32 home runs in a season he has remained in the lineup regularly, and his low RBI total during the span is 107 except for his 87 in 2005.
Duncan had seven home runs and 17 RBIs in only 74 at-bats last season. Betemit had 14 homers and 50 RBIs in 240 at-bats split between the Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers.
NOTES, QUOTES
—RHP Roger Clemens will not pitch for the Yankees if he comes out of retirement again. The New York Daily News quoted club vice president Hank Steinbrenner as saying that Clemens would not be re-signed.
—RHP Carl Pavano might be ready to pitch in the big leagues by late June, according to a report quoting his agent. Pavano had one victory in two starts last year before undergoing season-ending reconstructive elbow surgery.
—RHP Mike Mussina is headed into possibly the final year of his big-league career (his contract runs out after '08), but he's in manager Joe Girardi's plans. "If you were to say that you were going to design your rotation today, Mike Mussina would definitely be in the mix," Girardi said recently, though he added the caveat that "you have to perform."
—3B Alex Rodriguez has more home runs (220) over the past five seasons than anyone in baseball. Albert Pujols (211) is second. Over that same span, only Boston's David Ortiz has more RBI (642) than A-Rod (631).
—C Jorge Posada has started 1,019 games at catcher since 2000, more than any receiver in the AL during that period. He's one of only eight catchers in major league history to reach the 20-homer plateau in at least seven seasons.
BY THE NUMBERS: 47—Total number of games played at first base in the major leagues last season by players on the Yankees' current 40-man roster. Jason Giambi leads the field with 18 games at first base.
QUOTE TO NOTE: "They learned how to compete at this level. Now, you have to be able to do it over a six-month period...and then you see where you're at." —Manager Joe Girardi
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