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Re: Twins betting Santana Stakes still 3-horse race
RedMagma Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:47 am
Nor will it at any point I believe. The Mets are the only pro-active teams in these talks, and are negotiating, seems like Yankees and Sox have held their offers since day one. Mets on the other hand keep changing it up, If Santana isn't a Met, I'd still be somewhat surprised. And if we don't land him, then Mets will go to battle with what they have, and I don't necessarily believe that means the team will fail .. But gosh, it's crazy how much of a difference Johan Santana would make.
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Re: Twins betting Santana Stakes still 3-horse race
RedMagma Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:48 am
looks like johan is headed to the mets… i think the yanks should put one more offer our there centered around IPK (who has to compere equally to lester) with Horne (who has great stuff but command issues) Melky, and either Gadner or an A or AA pitcher with a good ceiling but far from major league ready.
the problem with the yanks deal is the lack of depth in the offer - so lets give them the depth but take a bit away from the top - Kennedy is not a future ace, but of the big three - I believe he has the best chance to be good his whole career - not the upside of hughes- but less of a down side
no Hughes, no deal.
i’m really holding out that Hughes is the single player the Twins want, but they are waiting to pull the trigger hoping that the Sox involvement would have gotten the Yankees to panic and throw in either IPK or AJax (someone of that caliber) into the deal, and then now the same with the Mets jumping into the mix, albeit with lesser prospects and no MLB-ready prospects.
Hughes shouldnt be a deal-breaker. We’ve got depth in the system and the money to pay the Johan contract.
and this is not a deal reminiscent of the mismanaged Yankees… the problem in the past was trading a top pitching prospect, or package of prospects for a top offensive star to add to an offense that can already score 900… this would be substituting a pitcher (proven) for another pitcher (prospect).
the problem with the yanks deal is the lack of depth in the offer - so lets give them the depth but take a bit away from the top - Kennedy is not a future ace, but of the big three - I believe he has the best chance to be good his whole career - not the upside of hughes- but less of a down side
no Hughes, no deal.
i’m really holding out that Hughes is the single player the Twins want, but they are waiting to pull the trigger hoping that the Sox involvement would have gotten the Yankees to panic and throw in either IPK or AJax (someone of that caliber) into the deal, and then now the same with the Mets jumping into the mix, albeit with lesser prospects and no MLB-ready prospects.
Hughes shouldnt be a deal-breaker. We’ve got depth in the system and the money to pay the Johan contract.
and this is not a deal reminiscent of the mismanaged Yankees… the problem in the past was trading a top pitching prospect, or package of prospects for a top offensive star to add to an offense that can already score 900… this would be substituting a pitcher (proven) for another pitcher (prospect).
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Re: Twins betting Santana Stakes still 3-horse race
RedMagma Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:54 am
Thanks to Susan Mullen for breaking it down
ESPN The Comic Strip--Fake Headlines from Phineas T. Bluster Olney
http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com/
Fake headline from ESPN this morning. These tools are just tools. They chose a dishonest way to earn a living:
* "Steinbrenner said reports that the Yankees recently withdrew a formal offer to the Twins are not true.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=337388
* "There wasn't an official offer anyway. You can't withdraw something that wasn't there," Steinbrenner said. "There was no official offer on the table at this time."
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=337388
Which was common knowledge and stated as such one post below this from a 1/4/08 NY Times article.
http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com/2008/01/all-commissioners-men.html
The Twins must be desperate to get their hands on young Yankee players. They forget--they won the battle for socialism in baseball. It has worked. The Yankees can't afford $150-$200 million and they certainly can't afford to give up any players. Learn to reap what you sow. You won but you still think you can rip off the Yankees.
* Reference, AP report,
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=337388
(a misleading somewhat desperate headline), "Baby Boss-Yankees Still in on Santana," published on SportingNews.com 1/14/08
All the Commissioner's Men
'http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com/
There has been no standing offer from the Yankees for the Minnesota Twins to grab 4 or 5 young Yankee players in return for the right to spend $140 million on 1 pitcher plus untold additional millions for payroll tax. Various representatives of the George Mitchell conglomerate ESPN/MLB including all baseball writers loyally serving their master tried their best to coerce the Yankees into the deal, and they're stunned--I repeat stunned--they haven't succeeded.
* From the NY Times, 1/4/08:
"...nothing has changed since the Yankees pulled their offer at the winter meetings in Nashville a month ago.
* There is no standing offer, but from earlier trade talks, the Yankees know they would have to deal starter Phil Hughes, center fielder Melky Cabrera, the minor league pitcher Jeff Marquez and another prospect for Santana.
If the teams agreed on players, the Yankees would have to negotiate a contract extension with Santana, who would probably ask for seven years and $140 million.
* For the Yankees, the $140 million figure would be compounded by an additional $56 million they would owe in luxury taxes, because they are still charged an extra 40 cents for every dollar they spend. Investing almost $200 million in Santana for seven years — and the prospects — is clearly too steep a price for General Manager Brian Cashman."...
***[Why doesn't Phineas T. Bluster Olney do an expose on the sham of baseball writers?] sm
* The NY Times comes up with the MLB/ESPN mantra about so-called Yankee money, (which MLB fervently believes is MLB's money) based on past ticket sales and not mentioning problems with the YES Network.
* Using this logic you would've invested in the stock market at its peak and now be living in a box on the street:
From the NY Times: "But the tempting factor for the Yankees is their seemingly bottomless resources. They have a thriving cable network, a new stadium on the way, and the highest attendance in baseball. They can afford to pay Santana what he wants, and if he were a free agent, they almost surely would make the highest bid."****************
* When is someone from the NY Times going to cite numeric source information for the grandiose claim the Yankees can "afford to pay Santana what he wants?" This whole topic is ridiculous anyway.
Baseball has been re-designed for the purpose of preventing the Yankees from overspending-- and it's working. This is what they wanted to happen, now they're crying that the Yankees still have the money and could easily spend it. Please Please.
* There's recent evidence they would not make the highest bid, (eg Carlos Beltran) but ambitious MLB/ESPN agents ignore this like it was the old days. They harp on the same crap day after day. On top of it, the YES Network is stupid enough to put many of these people on their programs.
To quote Mr. Kepner himself from a recent YES Network program:
o "SAD." (While earnestly looking into the camera for dollar signs)
ESPN The Comic Strip--Fake Headlines from Phineas T. Bluster Olney
http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com/
Fake headline from ESPN this morning. These tools are just tools. They chose a dishonest way to earn a living:
* "Steinbrenner said reports that the Yankees recently withdrew a formal offer to the Twins are not true.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=337388
* "There wasn't an official offer anyway. You can't withdraw something that wasn't there," Steinbrenner said. "There was no official offer on the table at this time."
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=337388
Which was common knowledge and stated as such one post below this from a 1/4/08 NY Times article.
http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com/2008/01/all-commissioners-men.html
The Twins must be desperate to get their hands on young Yankee players. They forget--they won the battle for socialism in baseball. It has worked. The Yankees can't afford $150-$200 million and they certainly can't afford to give up any players. Learn to reap what you sow. You won but you still think you can rip off the Yankees.
* Reference, AP report,
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=337388
(a misleading somewhat desperate headline), "Baby Boss-Yankees Still in on Santana," published on SportingNews.com 1/14/08
All the Commissioner's Men
'http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com/
There has been no standing offer from the Yankees for the Minnesota Twins to grab 4 or 5 young Yankee players in return for the right to spend $140 million on 1 pitcher plus untold additional millions for payroll tax. Various representatives of the George Mitchell conglomerate ESPN/MLB including all baseball writers loyally serving their master tried their best to coerce the Yankees into the deal, and they're stunned--I repeat stunned--they haven't succeeded.
* From the NY Times, 1/4/08:
"...nothing has changed since the Yankees pulled their offer at the winter meetings in Nashville a month ago.
* There is no standing offer, but from earlier trade talks, the Yankees know they would have to deal starter Phil Hughes, center fielder Melky Cabrera, the minor league pitcher Jeff Marquez and another prospect for Santana.
If the teams agreed on players, the Yankees would have to negotiate a contract extension with Santana, who would probably ask for seven years and $140 million.
* For the Yankees, the $140 million figure would be compounded by an additional $56 million they would owe in luxury taxes, because they are still charged an extra 40 cents for every dollar they spend. Investing almost $200 million in Santana for seven years — and the prospects — is clearly too steep a price for General Manager Brian Cashman."...
***[Why doesn't Phineas T. Bluster Olney do an expose on the sham of baseball writers?] sm
* The NY Times comes up with the MLB/ESPN mantra about so-called Yankee money, (which MLB fervently believes is MLB's money) based on past ticket sales and not mentioning problems with the YES Network.
* Using this logic you would've invested in the stock market at its peak and now be living in a box on the street:
From the NY Times: "But the tempting factor for the Yankees is their seemingly bottomless resources. They have a thriving cable network, a new stadium on the way, and the highest attendance in baseball. They can afford to pay Santana what he wants, and if he were a free agent, they almost surely would make the highest bid."****************
* When is someone from the NY Times going to cite numeric source information for the grandiose claim the Yankees can "afford to pay Santana what he wants?" This whole topic is ridiculous anyway.
Baseball has been re-designed for the purpose of preventing the Yankees from overspending-- and it's working. This is what they wanted to happen, now they're crying that the Yankees still have the money and could easily spend it. Please Please.
* There's recent evidence they would not make the highest bid, (eg Carlos Beltran) but ambitious MLB/ESPN agents ignore this like it was the old days. They harp on the same crap day after day. On top of it, the YES Network is stupid enough to put many of these people on their programs.
To quote Mr. Kepner himself from a recent YES Network program:
o "SAD." (While earnestly looking into the camera for dollar signs)
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Re: Twins betting Santana Stakes still 3-horse race
RedMagma Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:58 am
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TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- New York Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner has not closed the door on a trade for Minnesota Twins lefthander Johan Santana.
"It's still in the deciding process," Steinbrenner said Monday night outside Legends Field at the Yankees' spring training complex. "We're still discussing it. There's still a little talk back and forth."
Righthander Phil Hughes and center fielder Melky Cabrera would likely be part of a multiplayer package needed to obtain Santana, a two-time Cy Young Award winner who can become a free agent after this season.
Steinbrenner said reports that the Yankees recently withdrew a formal offer to the Twins are not true.
"There wasn't an official offer anyway. You can't withdraw something that wasn't there," Steinbrenner said. "There was no official offer on the table at this time."
The New York Mets and Boston Red Sox are also interested in Santana.
The Yankees plan to have an innings-pitched limit for another promising young pitcher, Joba Chamberlain, this season.
Steinbrenner said one option is to have Chamberlain start the season in the bullpen, when teams normally needed just four starters, and then join the rotation. The decision will be made by manager Joe Girardi and pitching coach Dave Eiland.
"He will be a starter. That's everybody's intention," Steinbrenner said. "How to start him out the year and build up his innings, and how to get him to that point is up to Girardi and Eiland. They may want to start him out in the bullpen and go to a starter. Or he could go a couple other different options."
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Baby Boss
snowhillBlog on Mon Jan 14, 2008 09:57 pm
He sounds like his Daddy. He says he listens to others but he's going to do what he wants to do. Hard heads must run in the family.
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Better get him while you still have a chance, spanks!!
RiCkL-7 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 09:59 pm
WWDD(What would Daddy do)? Win Championships, unlike the current spanks!!!
The future is not looking good for you guys. Baseball America, the leading source of prospects out there, just listed the RED SOX with having the second best* farm system in all of baseball. That's up from ninth last year and 28th in 2002. What a great accomplishment and accolades should be given out to them by all you wanna-be's.
GO BOSOX!!!
*Tampa Bay was number 1
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h2oPr00f on Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:10 pm
Wow. I am no Yankee fan. But this is embarassing. Make a decision already. I know you are a Steinbrenner, but you are not your dad. You never will be,no one ever will be. Stop huffing and puffing like a 5 year old and make decisions regarding your baseball team.
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Enough Already
manowar_ny_yanksfan on Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:13 pm
This is foolish of them to do. If they can package Kennedy and Cabrera (or preferably Damon and eat some of his contract) then do it, if it involves Hughes, pass. Santana will be a free agent, cause no one else is biting.
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Re: Baby Boss
KC StengelBlog on Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:15 pm
snowhill wrote:
He sounds like his Daddy. He says he listens to others but he's going to do what he wants to do. Hard heads must run in the family.
Same here, snowhill. My first thought -- the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Useless
dyoung44Blog on Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:53 pm
These articles are so useless. If it weren't the Yankees it wouldn't be news. The only thing these type of articles are good for is giving our mascot spanky (rickl7) something to do. Thank goodness for the Yankees, huh rickl?
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THAT'S IT, IT'S OVER.......
rvangalio on Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:56 pm
RiCkL-7 wrote:
WWDD(What would Daddy do)? Win Championships, unlike the current spanks!!!
The future is not looking good for you guys. Baseball America, the leading source of prospects out there, just listed the RED SOX with having the second best* farm system in all of baseball. That's up from ninth last year and 28th in 2002. What a great accomplishment and accolades should be given out to them by all you wanna-be's.
GO BOSOX!!!
*Tampa Bay was number 1
Oh well then why even play the 2008 season? If Baseball America has the Red Sox as having the 2nd best farm system then let's just GIVE the 2008 Championship to Boston. And who exactly was is that appointed Baseball America the "leading source of prospects out there"? Let me guess, that's what the website said when you borrowed $10 from your parents to sign up for it, right?
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Re: Useless
snowhillBlog on Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:21 pm
dyoung44 wrote:
These articles are so useless. If it weren't the Yankees it wouldn't be news. The only thing these type of articles are good for is giving our mascot spanky (rickl7) something to do. Thank goodness for the Yankees, huh rickl?
Don't worry d-44, it's the SN contribution to education in America. It's called "remedial posting" for slower thinking members.
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Hank pull out........
stielthBlog on Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:32 pm
well you should pull out and listen to those who knows better.....especially cashman....
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Hanks got a better chance
GreatBlueHeronBlog on Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:40 pm
at getting the rockstar Santana to play a concert after their 1st game of the season. (which will probably be a loss)
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Re: Twins betting Santana Stakes still 3-horse race
RedMagma Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:00 am
ESPN reported yesterday that the Yankees were pulling the deal off the table. I thought we did that already? Certainly Johan would be a great addition to any club but the price has to be right. Last year it was great to see the young guys put out there and I'm excited to watch those guys develop. With innings limits in the plans for our young guys, Cash should be focusing on the middle relief group.
Enough already!! Either make the deal or don't make the deal. Just make a decision right now and stick to it. It is almost time for players to report to Spring Training. It is not fair for the players being mentioned in this deal from the Yankees perspective to be left twisting in the wind as Spring Training nears. I personally don't want the Yankees to make this deal. I want to find out how good these young pitchers can be.
Are the Twins playing with the Yankees? If they are, this is really funny. The Yankees have got to want Santana in the worst way, but are pretending to not be desperate, and the Twins are not biting. I would rather give up Santana for nothing to Detroit, than let the Yankees have him. Keep pulling the string Twins.
Enough already!! Either make the deal or don't make the deal. Just make a decision right now and stick to it. It is almost time for players to report to Spring Training. It is not fair for the players being mentioned in this deal from the Yankees perspective to be left twisting in the wind as Spring Training nears. I personally don't want the Yankees to make this deal. I want to find out how good these young pitchers can be.
Are the Twins playing with the Yankees? If they are, this is really funny. The Yankees have got to want Santana in the worst way, but are pretending to not be desperate, and the Twins are not biting. I would rather give up Santana for nothing to Detroit, than let the Yankees have him. Keep pulling the string Twins.
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Re: Twins betting Santana Stakes still 3-horse race
RedMagma Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:04 am
From Redsox Fans and his thoughts on Roger Clemens - here's more advice you should heed
As Roger Clemens increasingly resembles a terrible caricature, he definitely is a guy in need of major-league advice, and not from his lawyer Rusty Hardin who has given him some absolutely horrendous advice in 2008. So, here goes.
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/divineswine/2008/01/12/Roger_Clemens_heres_more_advice_you_should_heed
“Dear Roger,
It’s been tough. Didn’t you read my advice blog to you last December? All you wanted was fame and adoration, and instead you get all this junk heaped on you. Actually, in your ’60 Minutes’ interview you said that you didn’t want fame, so I guess you just wanted adoration.
Roger, you’ve been getting some horrendous PR advice from Rusty Hardin. He might be good in the courtroom, but he’s causing you to get hammered in the court of public opinion.
So, here’s some advice which I really think you should take to heart. Think about it for a bit. I know you have time because you’re supposedly retired until you un-retire.
First, hire someone good who will objectively look at all the interviews and other public statements you’ve made since the Mitchell Report was released. You must straighten out all the inconsistencies. Even the simple ones are going to make you look like a liar.
Here’s an example. 5 days after the Mitchell Report was released, you said that you were just “numb” to the accusations but that your wife Debbie and your sons were devastated by it. That’s fine. But if that was your original statement, you’ve got to stick to it. You say you’re numb one moment, and then during the ’60 Minutes’ interview, you say that you’re really upset that you don’t get the benefit of the doubt from the American public after pitching for 24 years?
You say that your family is crushed by all of this, and that’s entirely understandable. But then in the phone call with Brian McNamee that you secretly taped and released, you first said that your wife and kids are “numb” about the whole thing, then you later say that they’re a mess.
Get your story straight. Wouldn’t it just be easier to say that you and your whole family are upset about the whole situation? Isn’t that what an innocent man and his family would feel in your situation?
Second, if I were you, I’d seriously reconsider appearing before Congress. If you are 100% innocent, then appear before them and waive your right to invoke the Fifth Amendment. If you have nothing to hide, then you have now way of incriminating yourself, so you won’t need to invoke it. But doing it at the very beginning without any prompting from anyone will really get people on your side.
But if you did use steroids or HGH, there is absolutely no way I would appear before that Congressional committee. You’re going to have to swear to tell the whole truth, and if any smoking guns come out later, the very next thing you’re going to have to buy is soap on a rope. It’s too risky.
Third, use some common sense, okay? It’s bad enough that you look super-sleazy for secretly tape-recording your most recent conversation with McNamee, but it’s far worse that he never recanted anything AND then you released it.
Do you know what a bottom-dwelling, scum-BLEEP ing sneaky miscreant you look like now? And the worst thing is that you set up the call on the pretext of his ill son. Roger, the American public does not like people who use critically ill children as pawns for their own personal gain.
Releasing that tape was a humongous mistake. Try to use some better common sense. I’m sure that Rusty Hardin told you to do that, but it was a terrible thing to do. If you’re going to do something so sleazy, you have to make sure that he says something along the lines of, “Roger, I’m sorry I lied about you using steroids and HGH. You never did that stuff, but I felt like it was my only way out of the situation.” Anything, and I mean anything less than that should be discarded.
Fourth, do me a favor and find out which hospital little McNamee is at and make sure that you send a generous check over there to cover his hospital bill. Why? Because it will help your image. It will make it seem like you actually do care about people other than yourself.
I don’t know if you do care about others outside of you and your immediate family, but at least you can project that image.
Doing something generous covering little McNamee’s hospital costs will help mitigate the negative fallout against you because of that taped conversation.
Let the public know or think that even though you’re really upset with Brian McNamee, you’re not going to punish his ill son for the sins of his father. That will get you a ton of goodwill mileage.
Fifth, have your wife appear by your side. Roger, when a man’s wife doesn’t appear with him, it gives the appearance that he is 100% guilty. If Hilary Clinton’s crocodile tears a day before the New Hampshire primary can swing the election to a suprising victory for her because now voters think she has a heart, then Debbie’s real tears might do wonders for your image.
And for God’s sake, if you are going to shed some tears, don’t suddenly revert back to your normal ornery self 7 seconds later like Hilary Clinton did. You might want to listen to the woman who asked Hilary Clinton the question which induced/allowed the tears to flow. She said that she didn’t vote for Hilary in that New Hampshire primary, because 7 seconds after Clinton got all teary-eyed, she suddenly resumed her normal harsh, didactic and condescending manner.
Learn from history.
Sixth, call Joe Torre and ask him for some support. People respect Torre as a guy who tells it like it is. The fact that he refuses to stick up for you makes people think that you’re guilty.
Seventh, if you are going to appear before Congress this coming February, I’d strongly urge you to start finding ways to dig up or manufacture prescriptions for the lidocaine and vitamin B12 that you supposedly injected into your body. While you’re at it, you also might want to get some written prescriptions (preferably backdated) for all that precription Vioxx that you admittedly “ate like Skittles”.
While you’re at it, you better find someone who is great at secretly hacking into your local drugstore’s computer records and altering them so that it seems like you actually filled your prescriptions there.
Trust me, if you walk into that Congressional hearing without any prescriptions, you are going to get roasted. The fact is that lidocaine, injectable Vitamin B12 and Vioxx all required prescriptions at the time you said you were taking them. Without having a paper trail here, you are going to regret ever using that as an excuse on ’60 Minutes’.
Eighth, if you had someone supplying you with steroids and HGH, you better make certain that they will keep their mouths shut. Only an idiot drug dealer would publicly out you, but you never know what kind of crazy money is being offered out there for anyone who has proof that he/she sold you those drugs.
Ninth, if possible talk to Andy Pettitte. If he even hints to the Congressional Committee that he knew you were doing steroids and/or HGH, your credibility is destroyed. Why? Because his credibility is almost as high as it could be due to his admission of HGH use.
Tenth, if you are innocent and you know of baseball players who have used steroids, you’d be best served by giving up some of those names to the Congressional Committee. There are a lot of people out there who think that one of the reasons so few MLB players have publicly spoken out against steroids is because the vast majority of them have tried or are now using steroids. Giving some names will deflect some of the attention away from you. Just make sure that you don’t lie about who was doing the steroids.
Eleventh, between now and your mid-February meeting with Congress, really try and lose some of your bulk. Even if you have to starve, just do it. If your eyes look a bit sunken, even better. Make it look like this whole situation is taking a massive toll on you. That will get you some sympathy. Also, being slimmer and trimmer will make you look less like a steroid user.
Finally, I know that you like to work out, but you must not even think about exercising with any guys named Mark McGwire or Jason Giambi, and definitely now is not a good time to be hanging out with guys from the WWF. We call that “guilt by association”.
So, good luck, and I hope that everything works out, but even if it doesn’t, just remember that you still have your Cy Young Awards, World Series rings, family, and your millions of dollars. Most people don’t even have one of those things.
Roger Clemens - Tough to believe
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I like the ideal of "innocent until proven guilty". I also like the idea that people honor the contracts they sign, but we all know how binding that seems to be for pro athletes. Maybe the public is being too hasty in judging Roger Clemens, but he’s contributed heavily to a lot of his own problems. After reading several blogs here, there are things which require a general response for everyone who is supporting Clemens.
Assertion #1: Roger Clemens has done everything correctly in dealing with this steroid/HGH mess.
Comment: Clemens has NOT made all the right moves, and that's despite the fact that he has a high-profile attorney and a whole group of attorneys below Dusty Hardin guiding him. He's a bit too late with his denials. Do we really believe that he didn't meet with the Mitchell Committee because he didn't know what they were looking at? Do you think they called him and said, "Roger, we need to talk with you but we can't tell you why until we see you face-to-face?" Highly doubtful. There are only two possible reasons he didn't meet with them: his lawyer told him not to for fear of possible self-incrimination, and probably because his lawyer Dusty Hardin probably needed more time to review the situation.
In the '60 Minutes' interview, Clemens used excuses like "Where would I even get the needles and syringes for the stuff?" My guess is that he probably would have gotten them from the same place that he got the needles and syringes for his supposed lidocaine and Vitamin B-12 shots. Just an fyi, you can't just press the bottles containing that stuff onto your BLEEP and pray for absorption. Where are his prescriptions for those needles and prescription drugs? If he has no paper trail for those, then of course he's probably not going to have a paper trail leading to the steroids. Clemens might be a lot of things, but he’s not stupid enough to pay for his steroids with a personal check or credit card. And what would be the incentive of his steroid suppliers to step forward and be prosecuted themselves?
Assertion #2: Clemens filiing a lawsuit while McNamee hasn’t supports his claims of innocence.
Comment: This does not suggest anything, except that Dusty Hardin is looking for ways to try and convince the public that Clemens is innocent, and that Clemens has the deep pockets to fund those efforts. Also, at least Clemens has potential grounds for defamation of character, but Clemens has been very careful about what he's said about McNamee. So, does McNamee really have enough solid ground to file a lawuit against Clemens? Once again, that's why the rich get high-profile attorneys and get the upper hand.
Second, the only way that a penniless McNamee is going to file a countersuit is if his lawyers (now working pro bono) really feel that there is a solid case. In a case like this which is one man's word against another, the burden of proof in a McNamee countersuit would be on McNamee to prove that Clemens has been lying. If he had that kind of solid proof, don't you think he would have already handed it over to the feds?
As Roger Clemens increasingly resembles a terrible caricature, he definitely is a guy in need of major-league advice, and not from his lawyer Rusty Hardin who has given him some absolutely horrendous advice in 2008. So, here goes.
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/divineswine/2008/01/12/Roger_Clemens_heres_more_advice_you_should_heed
“Dear Roger,
It’s been tough. Didn’t you read my advice blog to you last December? All you wanted was fame and adoration, and instead you get all this junk heaped on you. Actually, in your ’60 Minutes’ interview you said that you didn’t want fame, so I guess you just wanted adoration.
Roger, you’ve been getting some horrendous PR advice from Rusty Hardin. He might be good in the courtroom, but he’s causing you to get hammered in the court of public opinion.
So, here’s some advice which I really think you should take to heart. Think about it for a bit. I know you have time because you’re supposedly retired until you un-retire.
First, hire someone good who will objectively look at all the interviews and other public statements you’ve made since the Mitchell Report was released. You must straighten out all the inconsistencies. Even the simple ones are going to make you look like a liar.
Here’s an example. 5 days after the Mitchell Report was released, you said that you were just “numb” to the accusations but that your wife Debbie and your sons were devastated by it. That’s fine. But if that was your original statement, you’ve got to stick to it. You say you’re numb one moment, and then during the ’60 Minutes’ interview, you say that you’re really upset that you don’t get the benefit of the doubt from the American public after pitching for 24 years?
You say that your family is crushed by all of this, and that’s entirely understandable. But then in the phone call with Brian McNamee that you secretly taped and released, you first said that your wife and kids are “numb” about the whole thing, then you later say that they’re a mess.
Get your story straight. Wouldn’t it just be easier to say that you and your whole family are upset about the whole situation? Isn’t that what an innocent man and his family would feel in your situation?
Second, if I were you, I’d seriously reconsider appearing before Congress. If you are 100% innocent, then appear before them and waive your right to invoke the Fifth Amendment. If you have nothing to hide, then you have now way of incriminating yourself, so you won’t need to invoke it. But doing it at the very beginning without any prompting from anyone will really get people on your side.
But if you did use steroids or HGH, there is absolutely no way I would appear before that Congressional committee. You’re going to have to swear to tell the whole truth, and if any smoking guns come out later, the very next thing you’re going to have to buy is soap on a rope. It’s too risky.
Third, use some common sense, okay? It’s bad enough that you look super-sleazy for secretly tape-recording your most recent conversation with McNamee, but it’s far worse that he never recanted anything AND then you released it.
Do you know what a bottom-dwelling, scum-BLEEP ing sneaky miscreant you look like now? And the worst thing is that you set up the call on the pretext of his ill son. Roger, the American public does not like people who use critically ill children as pawns for their own personal gain.
Releasing that tape was a humongous mistake. Try to use some better common sense. I’m sure that Rusty Hardin told you to do that, but it was a terrible thing to do. If you’re going to do something so sleazy, you have to make sure that he says something along the lines of, “Roger, I’m sorry I lied about you using steroids and HGH. You never did that stuff, but I felt like it was my only way out of the situation.” Anything, and I mean anything less than that should be discarded.
Fourth, do me a favor and find out which hospital little McNamee is at and make sure that you send a generous check over there to cover his hospital bill. Why? Because it will help your image. It will make it seem like you actually do care about people other than yourself.
I don’t know if you do care about others outside of you and your immediate family, but at least you can project that image.
Doing something generous covering little McNamee’s hospital costs will help mitigate the negative fallout against you because of that taped conversation.
Let the public know or think that even though you’re really upset with Brian McNamee, you’re not going to punish his ill son for the sins of his father. That will get you a ton of goodwill mileage.
Fifth, have your wife appear by your side. Roger, when a man’s wife doesn’t appear with him, it gives the appearance that he is 100% guilty. If Hilary Clinton’s crocodile tears a day before the New Hampshire primary can swing the election to a suprising victory for her because now voters think she has a heart, then Debbie’s real tears might do wonders for your image.
And for God’s sake, if you are going to shed some tears, don’t suddenly revert back to your normal ornery self 7 seconds later like Hilary Clinton did. You might want to listen to the woman who asked Hilary Clinton the question which induced/allowed the tears to flow. She said that she didn’t vote for Hilary in that New Hampshire primary, because 7 seconds after Clinton got all teary-eyed, she suddenly resumed her normal harsh, didactic and condescending manner.
Learn from history.
Sixth, call Joe Torre and ask him for some support. People respect Torre as a guy who tells it like it is. The fact that he refuses to stick up for you makes people think that you’re guilty.
Seventh, if you are going to appear before Congress this coming February, I’d strongly urge you to start finding ways to dig up or manufacture prescriptions for the lidocaine and vitamin B12 that you supposedly injected into your body. While you’re at it, you also might want to get some written prescriptions (preferably backdated) for all that precription Vioxx that you admittedly “ate like Skittles”.
While you’re at it, you better find someone who is great at secretly hacking into your local drugstore’s computer records and altering them so that it seems like you actually filled your prescriptions there.
Trust me, if you walk into that Congressional hearing without any prescriptions, you are going to get roasted. The fact is that lidocaine, injectable Vitamin B12 and Vioxx all required prescriptions at the time you said you were taking them. Without having a paper trail here, you are going to regret ever using that as an excuse on ’60 Minutes’.
Eighth, if you had someone supplying you with steroids and HGH, you better make certain that they will keep their mouths shut. Only an idiot drug dealer would publicly out you, but you never know what kind of crazy money is being offered out there for anyone who has proof that he/she sold you those drugs.
Ninth, if possible talk to Andy Pettitte. If he even hints to the Congressional Committee that he knew you were doing steroids and/or HGH, your credibility is destroyed. Why? Because his credibility is almost as high as it could be due to his admission of HGH use.
Tenth, if you are innocent and you know of baseball players who have used steroids, you’d be best served by giving up some of those names to the Congressional Committee. There are a lot of people out there who think that one of the reasons so few MLB players have publicly spoken out against steroids is because the vast majority of them have tried or are now using steroids. Giving some names will deflect some of the attention away from you. Just make sure that you don’t lie about who was doing the steroids.
Eleventh, between now and your mid-February meeting with Congress, really try and lose some of your bulk. Even if you have to starve, just do it. If your eyes look a bit sunken, even better. Make it look like this whole situation is taking a massive toll on you. That will get you some sympathy. Also, being slimmer and trimmer will make you look less like a steroid user.
Finally, I know that you like to work out, but you must not even think about exercising with any guys named Mark McGwire or Jason Giambi, and definitely now is not a good time to be hanging out with guys from the WWF. We call that “guilt by association”.
So, good luck, and I hope that everything works out, but even if it doesn’t, just remember that you still have your Cy Young Awards, World Series rings, family, and your millions of dollars. Most people don’t even have one of those things.
Roger Clemens - Tough to believe
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/divineswine
I like the ideal of "innocent until proven guilty". I also like the idea that people honor the contracts they sign, but we all know how binding that seems to be for pro athletes. Maybe the public is being too hasty in judging Roger Clemens, but he’s contributed heavily to a lot of his own problems. After reading several blogs here, there are things which require a general response for everyone who is supporting Clemens.
Assertion #1: Roger Clemens has done everything correctly in dealing with this steroid/HGH mess.
Comment: Clemens has NOT made all the right moves, and that's despite the fact that he has a high-profile attorney and a whole group of attorneys below Dusty Hardin guiding him. He's a bit too late with his denials. Do we really believe that he didn't meet with the Mitchell Committee because he didn't know what they were looking at? Do you think they called him and said, "Roger, we need to talk with you but we can't tell you why until we see you face-to-face?" Highly doubtful. There are only two possible reasons he didn't meet with them: his lawyer told him not to for fear of possible self-incrimination, and probably because his lawyer Dusty Hardin probably needed more time to review the situation.
In the '60 Minutes' interview, Clemens used excuses like "Where would I even get the needles and syringes for the stuff?" My guess is that he probably would have gotten them from the same place that he got the needles and syringes for his supposed lidocaine and Vitamin B-12 shots. Just an fyi, you can't just press the bottles containing that stuff onto your BLEEP and pray for absorption. Where are his prescriptions for those needles and prescription drugs? If he has no paper trail for those, then of course he's probably not going to have a paper trail leading to the steroids. Clemens might be a lot of things, but he’s not stupid enough to pay for his steroids with a personal check or credit card. And what would be the incentive of his steroid suppliers to step forward and be prosecuted themselves?
Assertion #2: Clemens filiing a lawsuit while McNamee hasn’t supports his claims of innocence.
Comment: This does not suggest anything, except that Dusty Hardin is looking for ways to try and convince the public that Clemens is innocent, and that Clemens has the deep pockets to fund those efforts. Also, at least Clemens has potential grounds for defamation of character, but Clemens has been very careful about what he's said about McNamee. So, does McNamee really have enough solid ground to file a lawuit against Clemens? Once again, that's why the rich get high-profile attorneys and get the upper hand.
Second, the only way that a penniless McNamee is going to file a countersuit is if his lawyers (now working pro bono) really feel that there is a solid case. In a case like this which is one man's word against another, the burden of proof in a McNamee countersuit would be on McNamee to prove that Clemens has been lying. If he had that kind of solid proof, don't you think he would have already handed it over to the feds?
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Re: Twins betting Santana Stakes still 3-horse race
RedMagma Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:05 am
Hi divine!
Jones is worse than a jerk, he's a rich jerk with a facelift (always an ego thing)...
Marvin Harrison has been an exemplary figure in the NFL. A quiet man and a great athlete. I wish him well if his playing days are over.
Rivers is good, now if he can just shut up!
Later divine!
divineswine
Jan 14, 2008
7:53 PM dwindy,
when Jones got his facelift, he looked too tight. but look at him now. he looks similar to before except that his skin looks too thin.
rivers is good, but he still has a problem with not getting flustered in the face of a pass rush. when he gets a whiff of a rush, he starts throwing off his back foot and the ball doesn't go where it should.
QCisco
Jan 14, 2008
8:08 PM Your comments on Dallas tell me a couple of things. Your stupid, clueless, and delusional. Get a reality check. You did not get a single fact correct. You should write for the National Inquirer because everything you wrote is pure fiction.
Romo went to Mexico with 3 teamates and not by himself.
You have no idea how Romo's teamates feel about him. Total speculation.
Learn your geography, Dallas is 4 hours to Mexico and Boston is 4 hours to NY, if you drive. Brady and every other player during the bye week got to go home relax and just kick back, but Romo is the only one who should have worked. Yea, right.
Romo spent Monday & Tuesday getting extra film study for the game. I'm sure his teamates resent him for that. Making them look like slackers.
Joe Simpson a big Dallas fan and Jessica's father is the one who set the couple up. Romo didn't pursue Jessica. You would never be able to work for the Star if you don't get your facts straight.
Next time do some research before you type. It will save you from looking like an Ahole.
Jones is worse than a jerk, he's a rich jerk with a facelift (always an ego thing)...
Marvin Harrison has been an exemplary figure in the NFL. A quiet man and a great athlete. I wish him well if his playing days are over.
Rivers is good, now if he can just shut up!
Later divine!
divineswine
Jan 14, 2008
7:53 PM dwindy,
when Jones got his facelift, he looked too tight. but look at him now. he looks similar to before except that his skin looks too thin.
rivers is good, but he still has a problem with not getting flustered in the face of a pass rush. when he gets a whiff of a rush, he starts throwing off his back foot and the ball doesn't go where it should.
QCisco
Jan 14, 2008
8:08 PM Your comments on Dallas tell me a couple of things. Your stupid, clueless, and delusional. Get a reality check. You did not get a single fact correct. You should write for the National Inquirer because everything you wrote is pure fiction.
Romo went to Mexico with 3 teamates and not by himself.
You have no idea how Romo's teamates feel about him. Total speculation.
Learn your geography, Dallas is 4 hours to Mexico and Boston is 4 hours to NY, if you drive. Brady and every other player during the bye week got to go home relax and just kick back, but Romo is the only one who should have worked. Yea, right.
Romo spent Monday & Tuesday getting extra film study for the game. I'm sure his teamates resent him for that. Making them look like slackers.
Joe Simpson a big Dallas fan and Jessica's father is the one who set the couple up. Romo didn't pursue Jessica. You would never be able to work for the Star if you don't get your facts straight.
Next time do some research before you type. It will save you from looking like an Ahole.
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RedMagma Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:19 am
Roger Clemens '60 Minutes' Interview - A Final Autopsy
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/divineswine/2008/01/07/Roger_Clemens_60_Minutes_Interview_A_Final_Autopsy
From DivineWine - Redsox Fan who despise Roger. Did He forget that Roger came up as Redsox and pitch for them?
Here are some of them:
1) Wallace asked Clemens about not appearing before the Mitchell Committee when invited. Clemens said that he was advised by his lawyers not to do it, and then he said, “If I had known what was in the report, I would have been down there in a heartbeat.”
Sorry, but that explanation seems flimsy. Why would he be told not to go there? Sen. Mitchell was clear that he contacted Clemens and others named in the report to give them a chance to respond to allegations against them. For Clemens to say that he didn’t know the purpose of the meeting is a lie.
Also, maybe I’m idealistic, but if Clemens had nothing to hide, then why decline the opportunity to meet with the Mitchell Committee? One possible explanation is that Clemens was advised by his lawyer that if he met the Mitchell Committee, it would have been leaked to the media, but if he didn’t go then maybe Mitchell would not include the allegations in his final report. If that’s the case, it was a gamble, and Clemens lost big-time.
“If I had known what was in the report, I would have been down there in a heartbeat.” How does this explain the fact that Clemens waited a full five days after the Mitchell Report appeared to defend himself? Here’s the problem: if that happened to any of us, we would be screaming as loudly as possible about 2 minutes afterwards. It just rings hollow
2) McNamee injected him with lidocaine and Vitamin B12 for joint pain.
On a previous post a few days ago, I said that this should be a central part of the interview by Wallace. It wasn’t. Maybe it’s because Wallace doesn’t know enough about lidocaine and Vitamin B12 to ask the right questions. I guess that also means that he didn’t read my blog here. Heavy sigh…
What really should have happened is that Mike Wallace should have had a knowledgeable doctor at the interview to ask Clemens a few pointed medical questions. That most likely didn’t happen because ’60 Minutes’ does not have its reporters conducting interviews with a third-party specialist present.
But if the goal was credibility, Wallace should have told Clemens that the interview would be taped in 2 days. The first day would be devoted to hearing Clemens describe/justify things, and the second day would occur after a doctor had gone over Clemens’s responses to Wallace’s questions.
The problem is this: lidocaine and Vitamin B12 may not have been illegal according to MLB’s rules, but lidocaine and injected Vitamin B12 require a valid prescription from a doctor. Who gave Clemens those prescriptions? Clemens opened the door for this line of questioning.
Also, his reasons for using them are questionable. Injecting lidocaine into your butt to help you with joint pain? Which joint? His hip joint? Using lidocaine for systemic (whole-body) joint relief is not common medical practice. And even in cases where it has been used, the deltoid muscle of the shoulder (he could have used his non-pitching one) is a far safer place to inject it. If he had joint pain in his knees or shoulders, then the use of lidocaine seems like a very odd choice.
As for Vitamin B12, yes, there are people who think that it helps them, and there are also a lot of medical professionals who feel that Vitamin B12 deficiency might be more common than is reported. But they suspect it to be more widespread in the elderly population who might not be ingesting a lot of food (mostly meat and dairy) containing Vitamin B12. But Vitamin B12 deficiency in a younger guy like Clemens who has been known to eat a hearty steak every now and then would not even be on a doctor’s radar screen unless Clemens was a raging alcoholic or he heavily used acid-blocking medication such as histamine H2-receptor blokers or proton pump inhibitors.
If Clemens was really in one of these categories, then he should just say that he has a medical condition and provide the evidence to Major League Baseball. Otherwise, he’s just substituted one possible federal crime with another
3) Toradol (ketorolac)
Clemens brought up his use of Toradol in the interview. Toradol is a non-steroidal antiinflammatory, antipyretic and a pain medicine. It’s very effective. But according to his interview, he was using both lidocaine and Toradol?
I’m sure that no team doctor or other licensed doctor would have written Clemens a prescription for lidocaine because of its risk of central nervous system effects even at low doses (tremors, dizziness, blurred vision, seizures, etc.) and negative effects on a person’s heart and blood vessels at higher doses (sedation, decreasing your drive to breath, stopping your heart, etc.). It’s just not the kind of symptoms you’d want any guy – especially a pitcher – to have.
4) “I was eating Vioxx like Skittles”
When I hear an argument like this and Clemens then blaming people who gave him Vioxx and talking about how he might have heart damage from it, I think of one word: smokescreen.
Clemens decided to play, even when his body was screaming at him to stop. If you want to talk about steroids giving people an edge, then you have to also include things like Vioxx and Toradol. At least with steroids the user has to put in some effort to get results from the drug, but Vioxx and Toradol don’t even require that kind of effort. They just have to be placed in a person’s body.
Introducing Vioxx was a major indication that Clemens was trying to drum up sympathy and possibly to deflect Mike Wallace from focusing on the lidocaine and Vitamin B12, because I’d bet a lot of money that if Wallace had asked Clemens for the names of the doctors who prescribed and injected the lidocaine and Vitamin B12, Clemens would have been tongue-tied.
5) “I didn’t play to get fame or go to the Hall of Fame.”
Roger, do you really expect us to believe that? It’s a good thing you weren’t hooked up to the polygraph (lie detector machine), because you may have caused the stylus to fly right off the paper.
6) “If I was using steroids, then why didn’t I break down earlier? Steroids turn your tendons to dust.”
This is deception and an attempt to prove his innocence by appealing to the general public’s ignorance about anabolic steroids. Brian McNamee specifically told Sen. Mitchell’s group that he had injected Clemens with Winstrol (Stanozolol). This is an important detail.
The use of an anabolic steroid like natural testosterone has been reported in animal studies to result in stiffer tendons and a higher failure rate compared to control animals who were not injected with testosterone. Other anabolic steroids are associated not with weakening tendons, but rather with increasing strength of the muscles attached to them to the point of mechanical overload which leads to failure/destruction of the tendon. However Winstrol, a synthetic anabolic steroid, actually has been shown to induce changes that strengthen (not weaken) tendons and ligaments. That is why it is one of the anabolic steroids of choice for athletes.
7) “If I was injecting with steroids and HGH, then how would I get the needles?”
Answer: you’d get them the same way that you got the syringes and needles for your seemingly illegal lidocaine and Vitamin B12 shots.
“Why would I want to do things (steroids) that would limit my flexibility?”
This is again an attempt to try and play on the stereotypes of anabolic steroids. Anabolic steroids taken regularly for long periods of time have the possibility of making someone “muscle-bound”. But using lower doses of steroids could reduce muscle breakdown without necessarily causing incredible increases in muscle mass.
This brings me to another criticism. Why did ’60 Minutes’ not dig up photos of Clemens during different stages of his career? Regardless of whether or not they show a difference, I think that for any other athlete in this situation in this situation, showing a progression of pictures would have been the norm.
9) “You’d think that after 24 years, people would give me the benefit of the doubt."
Roger, your record over that 24 years and the interesting surges of excellence as you got older is exactly the reason that people suspect you in the first place. You should know that.
After watching the Clemens interview, I realized why lawyers always tell their clients to shut their mouths: because people who lie tend to tell more lies to cover the previous lies, and eventually people realize that it just doesn’t sound right.
There are a couple of things that Clemens said which were credible:
1) Clemens said, “The higher you get up on the flagpole, the more your butt shows.”
I’m sure that even Clemens head lawyer Rusty Hardin had to wince at that comment. For a guy who’s been accused of dropping his pants and getting injected with steroids and HGH in the butt, it was an incredibly poor choice of words.
But there is a lot of truth to it. People are jealous. That’s why it’s lonely at the top. That’s also why people in high places have to make sure that they rigorously screen those around them.
2) His comments about taking a polygraph test.
A lot of people would say that Clemens did not clearly answer the question about whether or not he would take a polygraph test.
If he has misgivings about doing it, he’s well within his rights. The test is not perfect, and he really has nothing to gain by taking it. If he takes it and passes it, then his critics will say, “That’s just part of Clemens’s pathologic lying personality. He’d probably be able to say that his name is not Roger Clemens and still pass it.”
I think that for a guy with a strong resolve, tons of incentives to pass the test, lots of money to hire “coaches”, and the proven ability to be cool under pressure makes Clemens fits the ideal profile of someone who could beat the test.
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/divineswine/2008/01/07/Roger_Clemens_60_Minutes_Interview_A_Final_Autopsy
From DivineWine - Redsox Fan who despise Roger. Did He forget that Roger came up as Redsox and pitch for them?
Here are some of them:
1) Wallace asked Clemens about not appearing before the Mitchell Committee when invited. Clemens said that he was advised by his lawyers not to do it, and then he said, “If I had known what was in the report, I would have been down there in a heartbeat.”
Sorry, but that explanation seems flimsy. Why would he be told not to go there? Sen. Mitchell was clear that he contacted Clemens and others named in the report to give them a chance to respond to allegations against them. For Clemens to say that he didn’t know the purpose of the meeting is a lie.
Also, maybe I’m idealistic, but if Clemens had nothing to hide, then why decline the opportunity to meet with the Mitchell Committee? One possible explanation is that Clemens was advised by his lawyer that if he met the Mitchell Committee, it would have been leaked to the media, but if he didn’t go then maybe Mitchell would not include the allegations in his final report. If that’s the case, it was a gamble, and Clemens lost big-time.
“If I had known what was in the report, I would have been down there in a heartbeat.” How does this explain the fact that Clemens waited a full five days after the Mitchell Report appeared to defend himself? Here’s the problem: if that happened to any of us, we would be screaming as loudly as possible about 2 minutes afterwards. It just rings hollow
2) McNamee injected him with lidocaine and Vitamin B12 for joint pain.
On a previous post a few days ago, I said that this should be a central part of the interview by Wallace. It wasn’t. Maybe it’s because Wallace doesn’t know enough about lidocaine and Vitamin B12 to ask the right questions. I guess that also means that he didn’t read my blog here. Heavy sigh…
What really should have happened is that Mike Wallace should have had a knowledgeable doctor at the interview to ask Clemens a few pointed medical questions. That most likely didn’t happen because ’60 Minutes’ does not have its reporters conducting interviews with a third-party specialist present.
But if the goal was credibility, Wallace should have told Clemens that the interview would be taped in 2 days. The first day would be devoted to hearing Clemens describe/justify things, and the second day would occur after a doctor had gone over Clemens’s responses to Wallace’s questions.
The problem is this: lidocaine and Vitamin B12 may not have been illegal according to MLB’s rules, but lidocaine and injected Vitamin B12 require a valid prescription from a doctor. Who gave Clemens those prescriptions? Clemens opened the door for this line of questioning.
Also, his reasons for using them are questionable. Injecting lidocaine into your butt to help you with joint pain? Which joint? His hip joint? Using lidocaine for systemic (whole-body) joint relief is not common medical practice. And even in cases where it has been used, the deltoid muscle of the shoulder (he could have used his non-pitching one) is a far safer place to inject it. If he had joint pain in his knees or shoulders, then the use of lidocaine seems like a very odd choice.
As for Vitamin B12, yes, there are people who think that it helps them, and there are also a lot of medical professionals who feel that Vitamin B12 deficiency might be more common than is reported. But they suspect it to be more widespread in the elderly population who might not be ingesting a lot of food (mostly meat and dairy) containing Vitamin B12. But Vitamin B12 deficiency in a younger guy like Clemens who has been known to eat a hearty steak every now and then would not even be on a doctor’s radar screen unless Clemens was a raging alcoholic or he heavily used acid-blocking medication such as histamine H2-receptor blokers or proton pump inhibitors.
If Clemens was really in one of these categories, then he should just say that he has a medical condition and provide the evidence to Major League Baseball. Otherwise, he’s just substituted one possible federal crime with another
3) Toradol (ketorolac)
Clemens brought up his use of Toradol in the interview. Toradol is a non-steroidal antiinflammatory, antipyretic and a pain medicine. It’s very effective. But according to his interview, he was using both lidocaine and Toradol?
I’m sure that no team doctor or other licensed doctor would have written Clemens a prescription for lidocaine because of its risk of central nervous system effects even at low doses (tremors, dizziness, blurred vision, seizures, etc.) and negative effects on a person’s heart and blood vessels at higher doses (sedation, decreasing your drive to breath, stopping your heart, etc.). It’s just not the kind of symptoms you’d want any guy – especially a pitcher – to have.
4) “I was eating Vioxx like Skittles”
When I hear an argument like this and Clemens then blaming people who gave him Vioxx and talking about how he might have heart damage from it, I think of one word: smokescreen.
Clemens decided to play, even when his body was screaming at him to stop. If you want to talk about steroids giving people an edge, then you have to also include things like Vioxx and Toradol. At least with steroids the user has to put in some effort to get results from the drug, but Vioxx and Toradol don’t even require that kind of effort. They just have to be placed in a person’s body.
Introducing Vioxx was a major indication that Clemens was trying to drum up sympathy and possibly to deflect Mike Wallace from focusing on the lidocaine and Vitamin B12, because I’d bet a lot of money that if Wallace had asked Clemens for the names of the doctors who prescribed and injected the lidocaine and Vitamin B12, Clemens would have been tongue-tied.
5) “I didn’t play to get fame or go to the Hall of Fame.”
Roger, do you really expect us to believe that? It’s a good thing you weren’t hooked up to the polygraph (lie detector machine), because you may have caused the stylus to fly right off the paper.
6) “If I was using steroids, then why didn’t I break down earlier? Steroids turn your tendons to dust.”
This is deception and an attempt to prove his innocence by appealing to the general public’s ignorance about anabolic steroids. Brian McNamee specifically told Sen. Mitchell’s group that he had injected Clemens with Winstrol (Stanozolol). This is an important detail.
The use of an anabolic steroid like natural testosterone has been reported in animal studies to result in stiffer tendons and a higher failure rate compared to control animals who were not injected with testosterone. Other anabolic steroids are associated not with weakening tendons, but rather with increasing strength of the muscles attached to them to the point of mechanical overload which leads to failure/destruction of the tendon. However Winstrol, a synthetic anabolic steroid, actually has been shown to induce changes that strengthen (not weaken) tendons and ligaments. That is why it is one of the anabolic steroids of choice for athletes.
7) “If I was injecting with steroids and HGH, then how would I get the needles?”
Answer: you’d get them the same way that you got the syringes and needles for your seemingly illegal lidocaine and Vitamin B12 shots.
“Why would I want to do things (steroids) that would limit my flexibility?”This is again an attempt to try and play on the stereotypes of anabolic steroids. Anabolic steroids taken regularly for long periods of time have the possibility of making someone “muscle-bound”. But using lower doses of steroids could reduce muscle breakdown without necessarily causing incredible increases in muscle mass.
This brings me to another criticism. Why did ’60 Minutes’ not dig up photos of Clemens during different stages of his career? Regardless of whether or not they show a difference, I think that for any other athlete in this situation in this situation, showing a progression of pictures would have been the norm.
9) “You’d think that after 24 years, people would give me the benefit of the doubt."
Roger, your record over that 24 years and the interesting surges of excellence as you got older is exactly the reason that people suspect you in the first place. You should know that.
After watching the Clemens interview, I realized why lawyers always tell their clients to shut their mouths: because people who lie tend to tell more lies to cover the previous lies, and eventually people realize that it just doesn’t sound right.
There are a couple of things that Clemens said which were credible:
1) Clemens said, “The higher you get up on the flagpole, the more your butt shows.”
I’m sure that even Clemens head lawyer Rusty Hardin had to wince at that comment. For a guy who’s been accused of dropping his pants and getting injected with steroids and HGH in the butt, it was an incredibly poor choice of words.
But there is a lot of truth to it. People are jealous. That’s why it’s lonely at the top. That’s also why people in high places have to make sure that they rigorously screen those around them.
2) His comments about taking a polygraph test.
A lot of people would say that Clemens did not clearly answer the question about whether or not he would take a polygraph test.
If he has misgivings about doing it, he’s well within his rights. The test is not perfect, and he really has nothing to gain by taking it. If he takes it and passes it, then his critics will say, “That’s just part of Clemens’s pathologic lying personality. He’d probably be able to say that his name is not Roger Clemens and still pass it.”
I think that for a guy with a strong resolve, tons of incentives to pass the test, lots of money to hire “coaches”, and the proven ability to be cool under pressure makes Clemens fits the ideal profile of someone who could beat the test.
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Why America Should Be Happy that the Giants Won
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The Giants-Cowboys divisional playoff game on Sunday was a fantastic game, and all of America, including Dallas fans, should be happy about the result: the Giants pulled off a shocking win.
No, I’m not a Giants fan, but they probably are the greatest overachievers this NFL season. Who deserves the credit? Well, it’s complicated, but here are a few names:
1. Tom Coughlin – if he had rested his starters for the supposedly “meaningless” season finale against the Patriots, I guarantee you that the Giants would not have gotten this far. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the 4 teams remaining are all teams which had momentum heading into the postseason.
2. Eli Manning – I’ve dislike him since he and his father dictated terms on draft day, but the thing is that after spending much of the season looking like a bona fide 3rd level QB, he’s really improved his game since playing the Patriots.
3. The rest of the Giants – they were outgunned but they won, and they won by doing certain little things better like catching passes thrown to them, grinding it out on the ground.
4. The Patriots –if you honestly look at the way that the Giants played most of the season, you’ll have to admit that they played on a completely higher plane against the Patriots. There’s a saying that if you want to get better, then you have to play with better talent. I’m not saying that the Patriots get all the credit for the Giants success this post-season, rather I’m saying that had the Giants played a team like the Jets, they most likely wouldn’t still be in the playoffs now. The Patriots deserve credit for bringing up the Giants game, but there’s no doubt that Coughlin and his players get the lion’s share of the credit for playing their starters in what should always be regarded as a meaningful game
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RedMagma Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:33 am
Yes Better pick, better talent.
That's according to BA not by me Rembrat, Marquez can be #3 starter in future.
That's according to BA not by me Rembrat, Marquez can be #3 starter in future.
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/01152008/sports/yankees/still_playing_91468.htm
The Red Sox and Mets are the other suitors for Santana, who can become a free agent after this season. Even if the Yankees and Twins were to agree on players, Santana and the Yanks would have to negotiate a new contract. Santana is looking for a six-year $150 million deal or perhaps a seven-year pact for slightly less than $25 million annually. The Yankees have indicated they won't offer seven years.
As for the Mets, according to a person familiar with the situation, they are unwilling to go further than a five-year extension for Santana. That would be added on to his current 2008 pact, meaning the Mets would still control him for six years.
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I still think The Twins wants Ellsbury in a package instead of Crisp. They want younger guy like Ellsbury so They can control for six years. Crisp's contract too expensive for Twins liking and He had no arm.. Meanwhile Torri Hunter had a good arm and can hit for homeruns unlike Crisp.
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I still think The Twins wants Ellsbury in a package instead of Crisp. They want younger guy like Ellsbury so They can control for six years. Crisp's contract too expensive for Twins liking and He had no arm.. Meanwhile Torri Hunter had a good arm and can hit homeruns unlike Crisp.
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By very few estimations is Lester a potential front line starter. Right now, I have a ton of respect for him and what he's done, but he just isn't great. His WHiP in the minors was fairly high at 1.3, and his WHiP in his short major league career is nearly 1.6. He walks too many hitters/9 and always has. He looks like a #3, maybe a #4 at this point.
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Congress asking Justice Department to investigate Tejada
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WASHINGTON -- Congress is asking the Justice Department to investigate whether former AL MVP Miguel Tejada lied in 2005 to committee staff when he was interviewed in connection with the Rafael Palmeiro steroids case, The Associated Press learned Tuesday.
House Oversight and Government Committee chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) opened Tuesday's hearing into the Mitchell report about drug use in baseball by announcing that he and ranking minority member Tom Davis (R-Va.) were sending a letter to the Justice Department on Tuesday.
"Tejada told the committee that he never used illegal performance-enhancing drugs and that he had no knowledge of other players using or even talking about steroids," Waxman said. "Well, the Mitchell report, however, directly contradicts key elements of Mr. Tejada's testimony."
Said Davis: "We've concluded further investigation is warranted."
When the same House panel held a hearing in March 2005, Palmeiro pointed at the panel and declared: "I have never used steroids, period." Palmeiro was suspended by baseball later that year after testing positive for a steroid.
The committee later looked into whether Palmeiro should face perjury charges, but eventually dropped the matter.
Palmeiro said his positive test must have resulted from a B-12 vitamin injection given to him by Tejada. That prompted Congress to talk to Tejada, who at the time was a Baltimore Orioles teammate of Palmeiro's. Tejada was traded to the Houston Astros on Dec. 12.
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mitchell is asking for restraint. it appears that ain't going to happen. roger, you paying attention?
Tejada = TOAST. They are going to come after him with the full fury and scorn of a Congress that doesn't like getting lied to.
Good times in Houston
Tejada = TOAST. They are going to come after him with the full fury and scorn of a Congress that doesn't like getting lied to.
Good times in Houston
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Maddon Won't Let Fundamentals Slide
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/13/sp-maddon-wont-let-fundamentals-slide/?sports-rays
The Tampa Tribune
Published: January 13, 2008
ST. PETERSBURG - The Rays will open spring training about a month from now with what appears to be the strongest team of Joe Maddon's tenure in Tampa Bay, if not the history of the franchise.
The blend of talent and experience has the manager talking about a .500 season as "a reasonable goal," but it won't deter him from taking a back-to-basics approach to spring training. In fact, the potential to crack the 70-win barrier for the first time in Rays history might only serve to reinforce Maddon's determination to avoid giving away so many winnable games by committing fundamental mistakes.
"I'm going to apply a lot of pressure to the coaches and myself this spring training to make sure we get these fundamentals down appropriately," Maddon said. "We've talked about them for two years; I believe this group is ready to put them into play. I believe this group is ready to take what we're talking about and execute them. I believe this group will accept constructive criticism well and be accountable for their actions.
"That's why I'm so excited about working with these guys."
The personality makeover in the clubhouse could help smooth the way for Maddon, as the overall level of professionalism should be higher. It would seem to follow that improved work ethic and attention to detail would go hand-in-hand with additions such as Troy Percival and Cliff Floyd.
Also helping toward overall fundamental improvement will be an infield defense that should be better across the board, assuming Akinori Iwamura makes the transition from third base to second without too much trouble. Jason Bartlett will be a significant upgrade at shortstop, and Evan Longoria is considered above average, at least, with the glove.
Perhaps the biggest question mark will come at the plate. The Rays posted some impressive offensive numbers last season, scoring a club-record 782 runs and finishing third in the American League in homers (187) and steals (131).
But they could have done so much more.
The Rays hit .265 with runners in scoring position (.231 with two outs) and drove home only 466 of 2,032 men in scoring position. It didn't help that Rays batters struck out 1,314 times last season, obliterating the American League record of 1,268 set by Detroit in 1996.
"Last year we were in the upper part of the league in everything but run production because of how bad we were at converting runners from third base with less than two outs," Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman said. "Some of that's because of how much we struck out and didn't put the ball in play; there's a lot of different factors that go into it. I know that's priority 1A for hitting coach Steve Henderson and I feel like it's something that we're going to be able to improve upon from last year and therefore score more runs."
FAMILY FIRST: Friedman said he didn't know if Durham manager Charlie Montoyo would be with the team for spring training. Montoyo's son, Alexander, has been hospitalized with a rare heart defect since his birth in October.
The Rays could have one of the coaches slated to work at short-season Princeton or Hudson Valley to fill in for Montoyo or slide one of their roving minor-league instructors into the spot.
"We've got a lot of flexibility to cover Charlie's situation," Friedman said. "Dealing with his family is paramount, and we'll adjust accordingly."
NOTEWORTHY: Maddon said the Rays plan to have 1B/3B Joel Guzman do some work in the outfield during spring training. ... The backup catching job is "wide open," according to Maddon. Shawn Riggans and Mike DiFelice will be the top contenders. ... Only one of the Rays' 30 Grapefruit League games will be played at night - a 7:15 start on March 21 against the Yankees at Legends Field.
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Yankees haven't closed door on Santana
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1200375307167930.xml&coll=1
BY LISA KENNELLY
Star-Ledger Staff
Rumors may abound, but you can't count the Yankees out of any trade until the player in question is officially on the roster of another team.
The in-vogue player of this off-season is Minnesota Twins pitcher Johan Santana, and despite a report yesterday that the Yankees had pulled out of the bidding, senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said the Yankees aren't out just yet.
"It's still in the deciding process," Steinbrenner told the Associated Press last night outside Legends Field at the Yankees' spring training complex in Tampa, Fla. "We're still discussing it. There's still a little talk back and forth."
ESPN Radio reported yesterday that the Yankees had pulled their proposal -- a multi-player deal that includes Phil Hughes and Melky Cabrera -- but Steinbrenner denied the existence of a standing offer at all.
"There wasn't an official offer anyway. You can't withdraw something that wasn't there," Steinbrenner said. "There was no official offer on the table at this time."
Another Yankees official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to be quoted publicly, also denied the Yankees are out of the running for Santana.
The Red Sox and the Mets are also still in the race for the two-time Cy Young winner, who will be a free agent at the end of the 2008 season.
According to a Mets official, "We're holding our ground" -- offering outfielders Carlos Gomez or Fernando Martinez along with pitchers Phil Humber, Kevin Mulvey and Deolis Guerra. The Mets know the Twins like Gomez since they asked for him two years ago in exchange for J.C. Romero.
The Mets, however, prefer Baltimore's Erik Bedard over Santana, since he wouldn't require the same lucrative extension as part of the deal.
Roger Clemens' lawyer met with staff for the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform yesterday, but withheld specifics of his discussions with the committee.
"We had a good meeting with the committee staff," Rusty Hardin said in a statement. "We were treated very courteously and found the conversation informative and beneficial. However, I do not think it appropriate to publicly discuss the details of a private meeting."
On the agenda, however, was determining if and when Clemens will be deposed before the Feb. 13 hearing, and possibly the question of immunity -- though Hardin has said he will not seek it for his client.
One problem that could come up for Clemens in the hearing is the question of his failing to respond to former Sen. George Mitchell's requests for an interview. In an e-mail sent to USA Today, the paper reported yesterday, Mitchell said he sent letters to the players' union in the summer and in October, requesting to talk to players named in the report.
That included Clemens, who claimed last week that he did not know that he was going to be named in the Mitchell Report.
Lisa Kennelly may be reached at lkennelly@starledger.com
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1200375307167930.xml&coll=1
BY LISA KENNELLY
Star-Ledger Staff
Rumors may abound, but you can't count the Yankees out of any trade until the player in question is officially on the roster of another team.
The in-vogue player of this off-season is Minnesota Twins pitcher Johan Santana, and despite a report yesterday that the Yankees had pulled out of the bidding, senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said the Yankees aren't out just yet.
"It's still in the deciding process," Steinbrenner told the Associated Press last night outside Legends Field at the Yankees' spring training complex in Tampa, Fla. "We're still discussing it. There's still a little talk back and forth."
ESPN Radio reported yesterday that the Yankees had pulled their proposal -- a multi-player deal that includes Phil Hughes and Melky Cabrera -- but Steinbrenner denied the existence of a standing offer at all.
"There wasn't an official offer anyway. You can't withdraw something that wasn't there," Steinbrenner said. "There was no official offer on the table at this time."
Another Yankees official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to be quoted publicly, also denied the Yankees are out of the running for Santana.
The Red Sox and the Mets are also still in the race for the two-time Cy Young winner, who will be a free agent at the end of the 2008 season.
According to a Mets official, "We're holding our ground" -- offering outfielders Carlos Gomez or Fernando Martinez along with pitchers Phil Humber, Kevin Mulvey and Deolis Guerra. The Mets know the Twins like Gomez since they asked for him two years ago in exchange for J.C. Romero.
The Mets, however, prefer Baltimore's Erik Bedard over Santana, since he wouldn't require the same lucrative extension as part of the deal.
Roger Clemens' lawyer met with staff for the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform yesterday, but withheld specifics of his discussions with the committee.
"We had a good meeting with the committee staff," Rusty Hardin said in a statement. "We were treated very courteously and found the conversation informative and beneficial. However, I do not think it appropriate to publicly discuss the details of a private meeting."
On the agenda, however, was determining if and when Clemens will be deposed before the Feb. 13 hearing, and possibly the question of immunity -- though Hardin has said he will not seek it for his client.
One problem that could come up for Clemens in the hearing is the question of his failing to respond to former Sen. George Mitchell's requests for an interview. In an e-mail sent to USA Today, the paper reported yesterday, Mitchell said he sent letters to the players' union in the summer and in October, requesting to talk to players named in the report.
That included Clemens, who claimed last week that he did not know that he was going to be named in the Mitchell Report.
Lisa Kennelly may be reached at lkennelly@starledger.com
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I'm gonna go ahead and predict that Santana is traded at the deadline to the Yankees for a lot more than people think is reasonable. I don't think he's going to be traded in the offseason now, the Twins aren't getting anything near what they want.
The problem is that these much-vaunted Yankees Young Guns are worth more now than they will be at the deadline.
A good poker player knows to cash in his chips when he can.
If Smith decides to let Johan pitch through July, he better hope and pray every night that Santana never feels a twinge in his left shoulder. Or his elbow. Or his legs. Or his feet. Etc.
The offseason is the time to trade him. The more millage Santana racks up, the greater the wear and tear.
And, if by some odd reason the Big Boys aren't in the hunt come July...
Totally agree with you. They'd be foolish to hold onto Santana going into the season
The problem is that these much-vaunted Yankees Young Guns are worth more now than they will be at the deadline.
A good poker player knows to cash in his chips when he can.
If Smith decides to let Johan pitch through July, he better hope and pray every night that Santana never feels a twinge in his left shoulder. Or his elbow. Or his legs. Or his feet. Etc.
The offseason is the time to trade him. The more millage Santana racks up, the greater the wear and tear.
And, if by some odd reason the Big Boys aren't in the hunt come July...
Totally agree with you. They'd be foolish to hold onto Santana going into the season
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Comments on your recent blog entry -Are the Red Sox holding the best chips for Santana?
Mr.Joe Christensen, Everyone know that Baseball America hates Ny and their Pro-Redsox. Jim Callis a pro-Redsox supporter. Mr.Callis recently work on full details on Redsox prospects. This article was written from Boston Herald so therefore I believe There's bias towards NY and Pro-Redsox towards The Redsox Prospects.
Crisp's a blue-chip talent? asterson projected to be in bullpen in majors ,had 4.00 era both pitching in Lancaster and Portland
Don't you think The Twins wants Ellsbury in a package instead of Crisp?. They want younger guy like Ellsbury so They can control for six years. Crisp's contract too expensive for Twins liking and He had no arm.. Meanwhile Torri Hunter had a good arm and can hit homeruns unlike Crisp.
From Boston Globe Today
QUOTE
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...mum_on_santana/
The Red Sox have been very quiet as of late about their interest. A Jon Lester-Coco Crisp-Justin Masterson and possibly Jed Lowrie package could still be in play. But some Sox officials would prefer to keep their young players and not make the deal.
The Sox feel they are in a win-win situation regarding Santana. If they acquire him, they would have the best lefty-righty combination in the game with him and Josh Beckett; without Santana, they believe they can continue to develop Clay Buchholz and Lester.
Mr.Joe Christensen, Everyone know that Baseball America hates Ny and their Pro-Redsox. Jim Callis a pro-Redsox supporter. Mr.Callis recently work on full details on Redsox prospects. This article was written from Boston Herald so therefore I believe There's bias towards NY and Pro-Redsox towards The Redsox Prospects.
Crisp's a blue-chip talent? asterson projected to be in bullpen in majors ,had 4.00 era both pitching in Lancaster and Portland
Don't you think The Twins wants Ellsbury in a package instead of Crisp?. They want younger guy like Ellsbury so They can control for six years. Crisp's contract too expensive for Twins liking and He had no arm.. Meanwhile Torri Hunter had a good arm and can hit homeruns unlike Crisp.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01152008/sport...aying_91468.htm
The Red Sox and Mets are the other suitors for Santana, who can become a free agent after this season. Even if the Yankees and Twins were to agree on players, Santana and the Yanks would have to negotiate a new contract. Santana is looking for a six-year $150 million deal or perhaps a seven-year pact for slightly less than $25 million annually. The Yankees have indicated they won't offer seven years.
As for the Mets, according to a person familiar with the situation, they are unwilling to go further than a five-year extension for Santana.That would be added on to his current 2008 pact, meaning the Mets would still control him for six years.
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http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...mum_on_santana/
The Red Sox have been very quiet as of late about their interest. A Jon Lester-Coco Crisp-Justin Masterson and possibly Jed Lowrie package could still be in play. But some Sox officials would prefer to keep their young players and not make the deal.
The Sox feel they are in a win-win situation regarding Santana. If they acquire him, they would have the best lefty-righty combination in the game with him and Josh Beckett; without Santana, they believe they can continue to develop Clay Buchholz and Lester.
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Comments on your recent blog entry -Are the Red Sox holding the best chips for Santana?
Mr.Joe Christensen, Everyone know that Baseball America hates Ny and their a Pro-Redsox. Jim Callis a pro-Redsox supporter. Mr.Callis recently work on full details on Redsox prospects for 2008. This article was written from Boston Herald so therefore I believe There's bias towards NY and Pro-Redsox towards The Redsox Prospects.
Crisp's a blue-chip talent? asterson projected to be in bullpen in majors ,had 4.00 era both pitching in Lancaster and Portland
Don't you think The Twins wants Ellsbury in a package instead of Crisp?. They want younger guy like Ellsbury so They can control for six years. Crisp's contract too expensive for Twins liking and He had no arm.. Meanwhile Torri Hunter had a good arm and can hit homeruns unlike Crisp.
From Boston Globe Today
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http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...mum_on_santana/
The Red Sox have been very quiet as of late about their interest. A Jon Lester-Coco Crisp-Justin Masterson and possibly Jed Lowrie package could still be in play. But some Sox officials would prefer to keep their young players and not make the deal.
The Sox feel they are in a win-win situation regarding Santana. If they acquire him, they would have the best lefty-righty combination in the game with him and Josh Beckett; without Santana, they believe they can continue to develop Clay Buchholz and Lester.
Mr.Joe Christensen, Everyone know that Baseball America hates Ny and their a Pro-Redsox. Jim Callis a pro-Redsox supporter. Mr.Callis recently work on full details on Redsox prospects for 2008. This article was written from Boston Herald so therefore I believe There's bias towards NY and Pro-Redsox towards The Redsox Prospects.
Crisp's a blue-chip talent? asterson projected to be in bullpen in majors ,had 4.00 era both pitching in Lancaster and Portland
Don't you think The Twins wants Ellsbury in a package instead of Crisp?. They want younger guy like Ellsbury so They can control for six years. Crisp's contract too expensive for Twins liking and He had no arm.. Meanwhile Torri Hunter had a good arm and can hit homeruns unlike Crisp.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01152008/sport...aying_91468.htm
The Red Sox and Mets are the other suitors for Santana, who can become a free agent after this season. Even if the Yankees and Twins were to agree on players, Santana and the Yanks would have to negotiate a new contract. Santana is looking for a six-year $150 million deal or perhaps a seven-year pact for slightly less than $25 million annually. The Yankees have indicated they won't offer seven years.
As for the Mets, according to a person familiar with the situation, they are unwilling to go further than a five-year extension for Santana.That would be added on to his current 2008 pact, meaning the Mets would still control him for six years.
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QUOTE
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...mum_on_santana/
The Red Sox have been very quiet as of late about their interest. A Jon Lester-Coco Crisp-Justin Masterson and possibly Jed Lowrie package could still be in play. But some Sox officials would prefer to keep their young players and not make the deal.
The Sox feel they are in a win-win situation regarding Santana. If they acquire him, they would have the best lefty-righty combination in the game with him and Josh Beckett; without Santana, they believe they can continue to develop Clay Buchholz and Lester.
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Seriously. If he was a Yankee putting up those numbers and we said #2 starter, sox fans would shit themselves and scream about how we overrate prospects.
I also respect what Lester has done, but he's been majorly overrated by most people so far because of wins. Look at 2006...4.76 ERA, WHiP of 1.648, but many (perhaps most) writers were flipping out about how he had such a great year. Why? Absolutely no reason aside from a 7-2 record (i.e., he got run support and the bullpen didn't blow all his games). It's just as bad now since he was 4-0 despite an ERA over 4.50 again in 2007.
I also respect what Lester has done, but he's been majorly overrated by most people so far because of wins. Look at 2006...4.76 ERA, WHiP of 1.648, but many (perhaps most) writers were flipping out about how he had such a great year. Why? Absolutely no reason aside from a 7-2 record (i.e., he got run support and the bullpen didn't blow all his games). It's just as bad now since he was 4-0 despite an ERA over 4.50 again in 2007.
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Do any of you think that he will be grilled on his obvious bias in this report??? I'm all for an investigation and a report such as the one released, however, I put absolutley ZERO credit behind this specific report due to the fact of who was in charge...if they wanted a true unbiased, impervious report, then they should have hired an outsider with no connections or affiliations to any team...possibly somebody that doens t even like baseball...not somebody that is on the damn payroll for the Red Socks!
If these congressional hearings hope to have any teeth or real reaction from true baseball fans...they better do more than look up Mitchels skirt, they better give him an outright colonoscopy in the court room for everyone to see!
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Do any of you think that he will be grilled on his obvious bias in this report??? I'm all for an investigation and a report such as the one released, however, I put absolutley ZERO credit behind this specific report due to the fact of who was in charge...if they wanted a true unbiased, impervious report, then they should have hired an outsider with no connections or affiliations to any team...possibly somebody that doens t even like baseball...not somebody that is on the damn payroll for the Red Socks!
If these congressional hearings hope to have any teeth or real reaction from true baseball fans...they better do more than look up Mitchels skirt, they better give him an outright colonoscopy in the court room for everyone to see!
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spring training invites
JANUARY 15, 2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
The New York Yankees announced today that they have invited 26 non-roster players to Spring Training in Tampa, Florida. The list includes nine pitchers, five catchers, five infielders and seven outfielders. The total number of players now scheduled to report is 66.
C Kyle Anson, 24, batted .272 (91-for-334) with four home runs and 44 RBI in 98 games with Single-A Charleston in 2007, and ranked second in the South Atlantic League with a 40.4 percent caught-stealing rate (42-for-104) in his first season as a catcher. Anson was originally selected by the Yankees in the 10th round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft as a third baseman.
C Jason Brown, 33, batted .208 (10-for-48) with one home run and three RBI with Double-A Trenton in 2007 after being limited to 15 games due to a left shoulder separation. Brown was originally signed by the Los Angeles Dodgers as a non-drafted free agent on May 26, 1997, and was signed by the Yankees as a free agent on November 19, 2004.
INF Bernie Castro, 28, played with Triple-A Columbus in the Washington organization, ranking fourth among all Nationals minor leaguers with 34 stolen bases and hitting .280 (120-for-428) with one home run and 32 RBI in 118 games in 2007. Castro has spent parts of two seasons in the Majors (Baltimore in 2005 and Washington in 2006), batting .253 (118-for-466) with 17 RBI in 66 games. He returns to the Yankees organization that originally signed him as a non-drafted free agent on September 25, 1997.
OF Justin Christian, 27, split time between Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in 2007, batting .271 (115-for-424) with four home runs and 48 RBI in 105 games. Christian attended Auburn University and was originally signed by the Yankees as a non-drafted free agent on July 1, 2004.
OF Colin Curtis, 22, played in 65 games with Single-A Tampa where he batted .298 (73-for-245) with five home runs and 26 RBI. He was promoted to Double-A Trenton on June 22 and hit .242 (58-for-240) with three home runs and 15 RBI in 61 games in his Double-A debut. Curtis was originally selected by the Yankees in the fourth round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft out of Arizona State University.
INF Eric Duncan, 23, hit .241 (99-for-411) with 26 doubles, 11 home runs and 61 RBI in 113 games with Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in 2007, setting a career high in doubles and tying a career best in RBI. Duncan was selected by the Yankees in the first round of the 2003 First-Year Player Draft.
OF Brett Gardner, 24, split time between Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in 2007, batting .281 (108-for-384) with one home run, 26 RBI and 39 stolen bases in 99 games. Over the last two seasons, he has successfully stolen a base in 83.6 percent of his tries (97-for-116). After the season, Gardner played in 26 games for the Peoria Javelinas in the Arizona Fall League, where he hit .343 (37-for-108) with 10 RBI and ranked among league leaders in stolen bases (16), runs scored (27), hits (37), walks (17), on-base percentage (.433) and batting average while being named to the AFL Top Prospects Team. Following the 2007 season, he was ranked by Baseball America as the eighth-best prospect in the organization as well as the fastest baserunner and the player with the best strike-zone discipline among all Yankees minor leaguers. Gardner was originally selected by the Yankees in the third round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft out of the College of Charleston in South Carolina.
RHP Daniel Giese, 30, made his Major League debut with the Giants as a September call-up, going 0-2 with a 4.82 ERA in eight relief appearances. He began the season with Triple-A Fresno (San Francisco) where he went 3-1 with two saves and a 2.82 ERA in 47 relief appearances. Originally selected by Boston in the 34th round of the 1999 First-Year Player Draft, Giese owns a 43-26 record with a 2.97 ERA in 374 career minor league appearances.
INF Nick Green, 29, spent time with Seattle, Triple-A Tacoma and Triple-A Indianapolis in 2007. With Indianapolis, he hit .245 (25-for-102) with five home runs and 20 RBI in 26 games before being traded to Seattle. In 66 games with Tacoma, hit .337 (96-for-285) with 16 home runs and 46 RBI and was promoted on September 4 to Seattle, where he did not record a hit in six games (seven at-bats). Green is a career .240 (169-for-703) hitter with 10 home runs and 59 RBI in 275 games over four Major League seasons with Atlanta, Tampa Bay, New York (AL) and Seattle. In 2006 with the Yankees, he batted .240 (21-for-114) with two home runs and four RBI in 46 games. Green was originally selected by Atlanta in the 32nd round of the 1998 First-Year Player Draft.
RHP Alan Horne, 25, was 12-4 with a 3.11 ERA in 27 starts with Double-A Trenton in 2007, earning Eastern League ?Pitcher of the Year? honors. He led the league in ERA, strikeouts (165) and winning percentage (.750), while ranking fourth in innings pitched (153.1). Following the 2007 season, he was named to the Eastern League midseason All-Star team and was selected as the EL?s top right-handed starter on the postseason All-Star team. Horne was selected by the Yankees in the 11th round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft.
OF Austin Jackson, 20, spent time at four different levels in 2007 (Single-A Charleston, Single-A Tampa, Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre), combining to hit .304 (151-for-496) with 88 runs scored, 21 doubles, 13 home runs, 59 RBI and 33 stolen bases in 128 games. He was ranked by Baseball America as the organization?s No. 2 prospect and was selected as the ?Best Athlete? and ?Best Defensive Outfielder? in the Yankees? minor league system. Jackson was originally selected by the Yankees in the eighth round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft.
RHP Steven Jackson, 25, split the 2007 season between Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, combining to go 4-9 with one save and a 5.40 ERA in 28 appearances (11 starts). Jackson was originally selected by the Diamondbacks in the 10th round of the 2004 First-Year Player Draft and was acquired by the Yankees from Arizona along with right-handed pitchers Ross Ohlendorf and Luis Vizcaino and infielder Alberto Gonzalez in exchange for Randy Johnson on January 9, 2007.
OF Jason Lane, 31, split time between Houston and Triple-A Round Rock in 2007 before being traded to San Diego on September 24. Over two stints with the Astros, batted .178 (30-for-169) with eight home runs and 27 RBI in 68 games and hit .319 (59-for-185) with nine home runs and 41 RBI in 50 games with Round Rock. In three games with the Padres, he did not record a hit in two at-bats. Originally selected by the Astros in the sixth round of the 1999 First-Year Player Draft, Lane is a career .241 (291-for-1,208) hitter with 61 home runs and 189 RBI in 497 games with Houston and San Diego. He batted .267 (138-for-517) in 145 games with Houston in 2005, establishing career highs in home runs (26) and runs batted in (78).
RHP Daniel McCutchen, 25, combined to go 14-4 with a 2.47 ERA, 33 walks and 103 strikeouts in 24 games (23 starts) with Single-A Tampa and Double-A Trenton in 2007. His wins were tied for second most in the organization while his ERA ranked third among Yankees farmhands. The Florida State League All-Star was rated by Baseball America as having the FSL?s best control. The right-hander was selected by the Yankees in the 13th round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft.
RHP Mark Melancon, 22, missed the 2007 season while recovering from ?Tommy John? surgery. Originally selected by the Yankees in the ninth round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft, he was 0-1 with a 3.52 ERA in seven relief appearances with short-season Single-A Staten Island in 2006, his first professional season.
C Jesus Montero, 18, made his professional debut with the Gulf Coast Yankees in 2007, batting .280 (30-for-107) with six doubles, three home runs and 19 RBI in 33 games. He committed just one error in 182 total chances behind the plate and was rated as the Yankees? top catching prospect (sixth overall) and the organization?s best power hitter by Baseball America. The Venezuelan native signed with the Yankees as a non-drafted free agent in October 2006 and will be the youngest player in the Yankees spring training camp.
LHP Heath Phillips, 25, split time with the White Sox and Triple-A Charlotte and made his Major League debut as a September call-up, going 1-1 with a 3.68 ERA in six relief appearances with Chicago. With Charlotte, he tied for the International League lead in wins, going 13-7 with a 4.30 ERA in 28 starts. He led all Chicago minor leaguers and the International League in innings pitched and went 8-0 with a 2.44 ERA over his final 11 starts. His eight-game winning streak tied for the second-longest in the IL in 2007. Phillips was originally signed by the White Sox in the 10th round of the 2000 First-Year Player Draft.
C P.J. Pilittere, 26, will make his second straight appearance in spring camp after receiving a non-roster invitation in 2006. He batted .261 (91-for-348) with 16 doubles, two home runs and 34 RBI in 100 games with Double-A Trenton in 2007 and led all Eastern League catchers with a .995 fielding percentage, committing only four errors in 844 total chances. He was originally selected by the Yankees in the 13th round of the 2004 First-Year Player Draft.
OF Greg Porter, 27, combined to hit .316 (149-for-472) with 11 home runs and 78 RBI in 129 games with Double-A Arkansas and Triple-A Salt Lake. He was named the June ?Player of the Month? among all Angels minor league players, hitting .368 (42-for-114) with 25 runs scored, 12 doubles and 28RBI in 31 games. Porter was originally selected by the Angels in the 45th round of the 2001 First-Year Player Draft and was signed by the Yankees on December 1, 2007.
INF Cody Ransom, 31, appeared in 19 games with Houston in 2007, batting .229 (8-for-35) with two doubles, one home run and three RBI. He opened the year with Triple-A Round Rock and won team MVP honors, batting .260 with 35 doubles, a team-high 28 home runs and a team-high 90 RBI. A former ninth round pick of the San Francisco Giants in the 1998 First-Year Player Draft, Ransom owns a .236 career Major League batting average (33-for-140) with nine doubles, three home runs and 16 RBI in 133 games with the Giants and Astros.
RHP Darrell Rasner, 27, made his first Opening Day roster in 2007 and went 1-3 with a 4.01 ERA over two stints with the Yankees. He had his season cut short on May 19 when he was hit in the right hand by a come-back ground ball. He underwent surgery the next day to repair a fractured right index finger. After missing three months, he made two rehab starts with short-season Single-A Staten Island (0-0, 5.14 ERA) to close out the year. A second round pick of the Montreal Expos in the 2002 First-Year Player Draft, he was claimed off waivers by the Yankees from the Washington Nationals on February 10, 2006.
C Austin Romine, 19, was selected by the Yankees in the second round of the 2007 First-Year Player Draft out of El Toro High School in California. He appeared in one game with the Gulf Coast League Yankees, going 1-for-2 with one double, one RBI and one walk. Baseball America rated the catcher?s arm strength the third-best among the nation?s high school players in the draft.
RHP Scott Strickland, 31, was 4-1 with a 4.58 ERA in 15 relief appearances with Triple-A Portland (San Diego) in 2007. He owns a 21-17 record in 193 career Major League games (27 starts) with a 3.26 ERA, pitching with the Expos and Astros. Originally selected by the Montreal Expos in the 10th round of the 1997 First-Year Player Draft, Strickland was signed by the Yankees as a free agent on December 20, 2007.
OF Jose Tabata, 19, batted a team-high .307 (126-for-411) with Single-A Tampa in 2007, along with 16 doubles, five home runs, 54 RBI and 15 stolen bases. He earned a spot on the Florida State League?s postseason All-Star team after ranking fifth in average and never going more than two games without recording a hit. He was ranked by Baseball America as the Yankees? third-best prospect and tabbed as being the best hitter for average in the organization. This will be the second straight spring training invitation for Tabata who signed with the Yankees as a non-drafted free agent on August 12, 2004.
LHP Billy Traber, 27, appeared in 28 games (two starts) with the Washington Nationals in 2007, going 2-2 with a 4.76 ERA. The left-hander opened the year with Triple-A Columbus where he was 2-3 with a 2.90 ERA in 14 games (four starts), striking out 29 batters with only seven walks. Signed by the Yankees as a minor league free agent on January 4, 2008, Traber has appeared in 76 Major League games (28 starts) with the Cleveland Indians and Nationals, posting a 12-14 record and a 5.41 ERA.
INF Marcos Vechionacci, 21, spent most of the 2007 season with Single-A Tampa, batting .266 (104-for-391) with 44 runs scored, 23 doubles and 39 RBI in 108 games at third base. He also appeared with Double-A Trenton in the final two games of the regular season and batted .288 in the postseason, helping the Thunder win the Eastern League title. Following the season, he joined Magallanes in the Venezuelan Winter League where he hit .286 (30-for-105) in 41 games. He was rated by Baseball America as having the best infield arm in the organization for the second straight season. Vechionacci was originally signed by the Yankees as a non-drafted free agent on August 26, 2002.
JANUARY 15, 2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
The New York Yankees announced today that they have invited 26 non-roster players to Spring Training in Tampa, Florida. The list includes nine pitchers, five catchers, five infielders and seven outfielders. The total number of players now scheduled to report is 66.
C Kyle Anson, 24, batted .272 (91-for-334) with four home runs and 44 RBI in 98 games with Single-A Charleston in 2007, and ranked second in the South Atlantic League with a 40.4 percent caught-stealing rate (42-for-104) in his first season as a catcher. Anson was originally selected by the Yankees in the 10th round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft as a third baseman.
C Jason Brown, 33, batted .208 (10-for-48) with one home run and three RBI with Double-A Trenton in 2007 after being limited to 15 games due to a left shoulder separation. Brown was originally signed by the Los Angeles Dodgers as a non-drafted free agent on May 26, 1997, and was signed by the Yankees as a free agent on November 19, 2004.
INF Bernie Castro, 28, played with Triple-A Columbus in the Washington organization, ranking fourth among all Nationals minor leaguers with 34 stolen bases and hitting .280 (120-for-428) with one home run and 32 RBI in 118 games in 2007. Castro has spent parts of two seasons in the Majors (Baltimore in 2005 and Washington in 2006), batting .253 (118-for-466) with 17 RBI in 66 games. He returns to the Yankees organization that originally signed him as a non-drafted free agent on September 25, 1997.
OF Justin Christian, 27, split time between Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in 2007, batting .271 (115-for-424) with four home runs and 48 RBI in 105 games. Christian attended Auburn University and was originally signed by the Yankees as a non-drafted free agent on July 1, 2004.
OF Colin Curtis, 22, played in 65 games with Single-A Tampa where he batted .298 (73-for-245) with five home runs and 26 RBI. He was promoted to Double-A Trenton on June 22 and hit .242 (58-for-240) with three home runs and 15 RBI in 61 games in his Double-A debut. Curtis was originally selected by the Yankees in the fourth round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft out of Arizona State University.
INF Eric Duncan, 23, hit .241 (99-for-411) with 26 doubles, 11 home runs and 61 RBI in 113 games with Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in 2007, setting a career high in doubles and tying a career best in RBI. Duncan was selected by the Yankees in the first round of the 2003 First-Year Player Draft.
OF Brett Gardner, 24, split time between Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre in 2007, batting .281 (108-for-384) with one home run, 26 RBI and 39 stolen bases in 99 games. Over the last two seasons, he has successfully stolen a base in 83.6 percent of his tries (97-for-116). After the season, Gardner played in 26 games for the Peoria Javelinas in the Arizona Fall League, where he hit .343 (37-for-108) with 10 RBI and ranked among league leaders in stolen bases (16), runs scored (27), hits (37), walks (17), on-base percentage (.433) and batting average while being named to the AFL Top Prospects Team. Following the 2007 season, he was ranked by Baseball America as the eighth-best prospect in the organization as well as the fastest baserunner and the player with the best strike-zone discipline among all Yankees minor leaguers. Gardner was originally selected by the Yankees in the third round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft out of the College of Charleston in South Carolina.
RHP Daniel Giese, 30, made his Major League debut with the Giants as a September call-up, going 0-2 with a 4.82 ERA in eight relief appearances. He began the season with Triple-A Fresno (San Francisco) where he went 3-1 with two saves and a 2.82 ERA in 47 relief appearances. Originally selected by Boston in the 34th round of the 1999 First-Year Player Draft, Giese owns a 43-26 record with a 2.97 ERA in 374 career minor league appearances.
INF Nick Green, 29, spent time with Seattle, Triple-A Tacoma and Triple-A Indianapolis in 2007. With Indianapolis, he hit .245 (25-for-102) with five home runs and 20 RBI in 26 games before being traded to Seattle. In 66 games with Tacoma, hit .337 (96-for-285) with 16 home runs and 46 RBI and was promoted on September 4 to Seattle, where he did not record a hit in six games (seven at-bats). Green is a career .240 (169-for-703) hitter with 10 home runs and 59 RBI in 275 games over four Major League seasons with Atlanta, Tampa Bay, New York (AL) and Seattle. In 2006 with the Yankees, he batted .240 (21-for-114) with two home runs and four RBI in 46 games. Green was originally selected by Atlanta in the 32nd round of the 1998 First-Year Player Draft.
RHP Alan Horne, 25, was 12-4 with a 3.11 ERA in 27 starts with Double-A Trenton in 2007, earning Eastern League ?Pitcher of the Year? honors. He led the league in ERA, strikeouts (165) and winning percentage (.750), while ranking fourth in innings pitched (153.1). Following the 2007 season, he was named to the Eastern League midseason All-Star team and was selected as the EL?s top right-handed starter on the postseason All-Star team. Horne was selected by the Yankees in the 11th round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft.
OF Austin Jackson, 20, spent time at four different levels in 2007 (Single-A Charleston, Single-A Tampa, Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre), combining to hit .304 (151-for-496) with 88 runs scored, 21 doubles, 13 home runs, 59 RBI and 33 stolen bases in 128 games. He was ranked by Baseball America as the organization?s No. 2 prospect and was selected as the ?Best Athlete? and ?Best Defensive Outfielder? in the Yankees? minor league system. Jackson was originally selected by the Yankees in the eighth round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft.
RHP Steven Jackson, 25, split the 2007 season between Double-A Trenton and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, combining to go 4-9 with one save and a 5.40 ERA in 28 appearances (11 starts). Jackson was originally selected by the Diamondbacks in the 10th round of the 2004 First-Year Player Draft and was acquired by the Yankees from Arizona along with right-handed pitchers Ross Ohlendorf and Luis Vizcaino and infielder Alberto Gonzalez in exchange for Randy Johnson on January 9, 2007.
OF Jason Lane, 31, split time between Houston and Triple-A Round Rock in 2007 before being traded to San Diego on September 24. Over two stints with the Astros, batted .178 (30-for-169) with eight home runs and 27 RBI in 68 games and hit .319 (59-for-185) with nine home runs and 41 RBI in 50 games with Round Rock. In three games with the Padres, he did not record a hit in two at-bats. Originally selected by the Astros in the sixth round of the 1999 First-Year Player Draft, Lane is a career .241 (291-for-1,208) hitter with 61 home runs and 189 RBI in 497 games with Houston and San Diego. He batted .267 (138-for-517) in 145 games with Houston in 2005, establishing career highs in home runs (26) and runs batted in (78).
RHP Daniel McCutchen, 25, combined to go 14-4 with a 2.47 ERA, 33 walks and 103 strikeouts in 24 games (23 starts) with Single-A Tampa and Double-A Trenton in 2007. His wins were tied for second most in the organization while his ERA ranked third among Yankees farmhands. The Florida State League All-Star was rated by Baseball America as having the FSL?s best control. The right-hander was selected by the Yankees in the 13th round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft.
RHP Mark Melancon, 22, missed the 2007 season while recovering from ?Tommy John? surgery. Originally selected by the Yankees in the ninth round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft, he was 0-1 with a 3.52 ERA in seven relief appearances with short-season Single-A Staten Island in 2006, his first professional season.
C Jesus Montero, 18, made his professional debut with the Gulf Coast Yankees in 2007, batting .280 (30-for-107) with six doubles, three home runs and 19 RBI in 33 games. He committed just one error in 182 total chances behind the plate and was rated as the Yankees? top catching prospect (sixth overall) and the organization?s best power hitter by Baseball America. The Venezuelan native signed with the Yankees as a non-drafted free agent in October 2006 and will be the youngest player in the Yankees spring training camp.
LHP Heath Phillips, 25, split time with the White Sox and Triple-A Charlotte and made his Major League debut as a September call-up, going 1-1 with a 3.68 ERA in six relief appearances with Chicago. With Charlotte, he tied for the International League lead in wins, going 13-7 with a 4.30 ERA in 28 starts. He led all Chicago minor leaguers and the International League in innings pitched and went 8-0 with a 2.44 ERA over his final 11 starts. His eight-game winning streak tied for the second-longest in the IL in 2007. Phillips was originally signed by the White Sox in the 10th round of the 2000 First-Year Player Draft.
C P.J. Pilittere, 26, will make his second straight appearance in spring camp after receiving a non-roster invitation in 2006. He batted .261 (91-for-348) with 16 doubles, two home runs and 34 RBI in 100 games with Double-A Trenton in 2007 and led all Eastern League catchers with a .995 fielding percentage, committing only four errors in 844 total chances. He was originally selected by the Yankees in the 13th round of the 2004 First-Year Player Draft.
OF Greg Porter, 27, combined to hit .316 (149-for-472) with 11 home runs and 78 RBI in 129 games with Double-A Arkansas and Triple-A Salt Lake. He was named the June ?Player of the Month? among all Angels minor league players, hitting .368 (42-for-114) with 25 runs scored, 12 doubles and 28RBI in 31 games. Porter was originally selected by the Angels in the 45th round of the 2001 First-Year Player Draft and was signed by the Yankees on December 1, 2007.
INF Cody Ransom, 31, appeared in 19 games with Houston in 2007, batting .229 (8-for-35) with two doubles, one home run and three RBI. He opened the year with Triple-A Round Rock and won team MVP honors, batting .260 with 35 doubles, a team-high 28 home runs and a team-high 90 RBI. A former ninth round pick of the San Francisco Giants in the 1998 First-Year Player Draft, Ransom owns a .236 career Major League batting average (33-for-140) with nine doubles, three home runs and 16 RBI in 133 games with the Giants and Astros.
RHP Darrell Rasner, 27, made his first Opening Day roster in 2007 and went 1-3 with a 4.01 ERA over two stints with the Yankees. He had his season cut short on May 19 when he was hit in the right hand by a come-back ground ball. He underwent surgery the next day to repair a fractured right index finger. After missing three months, he made two rehab starts with short-season Single-A Staten Island (0-0, 5.14 ERA) to close out the year. A second round pick of the Montreal Expos in the 2002 First-Year Player Draft, he was claimed off waivers by the Yankees from the Washington Nationals on February 10, 2006.
C Austin Romine, 19, was selected by the Yankees in the second round of the 2007 First-Year Player Draft out of El Toro High School in California. He appeared in one game with the Gulf Coast League Yankees, going 1-for-2 with one double, one RBI and one walk. Baseball America rated the catcher?s arm strength the third-best among the nation?s high school players in the draft.
RHP Scott Strickland, 31, was 4-1 with a 4.58 ERA in 15 relief appearances with Triple-A Portland (San Diego) in 2007. He owns a 21-17 record in 193 career Major League games (27 starts) with a 3.26 ERA, pitching with the Expos and Astros. Originally selected by the Montreal Expos in the 10th round of the 1997 First-Year Player Draft, Strickland was signed by the Yankees as a free agent on December 20, 2007.
OF Jose Tabata, 19, batted a team-high .307 (126-for-411) with Single-A Tampa in 2007, along with 16 doubles, five home runs, 54 RBI and 15 stolen bases. He earned a spot on the Florida State League?s postseason All-Star team after ranking fifth in average and never going more than two games without recording a hit. He was ranked by Baseball America as the Yankees? third-best prospect and tabbed as being the best hitter for average in the organization. This will be the second straight spring training invitation for Tabata who signed with the Yankees as a non-drafted free agent on August 12, 2004.
LHP Billy Traber, 27, appeared in 28 games (two starts) with the Washington Nationals in 2007, going 2-2 with a 4.76 ERA. The left-hander opened the year with Triple-A Columbus where he was 2-3 with a 2.90 ERA in 14 games (four starts), striking out 29 batters with only seven walks. Signed by the Yankees as a minor league free agent on January 4, 2008, Traber has appeared in 76 Major League games (28 starts) with the Cleveland Indians and Nationals, posting a 12-14 record and a 5.41 ERA.
INF Marcos Vechionacci, 21, spent most of the 2007 season with Single-A Tampa, batting .266 (104-for-391) with 44 runs scored, 23 doubles and 39 RBI in 108 games at third base. He also appeared with Double-A Trenton in the final two games of the regular season and batted .288 in the postseason, helping the Thunder win the Eastern League title. Following the season, he joined Magallanes in the Venezuelan Winter League where he hit .286 (30-for-105) in 41 games. He was rated by Baseball America as having the best infield arm in the organization for the second straight season. Vechionacci was originally signed by the Yankees as a non-drafted free agent on August 26, 2002.
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Re: Twins betting Santana Stakes still 3-horse race
RedMagma Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:08 am
when it says clemes files suit against mac...do you think that roger actually filed?
a-rod opts out....or his agent did the deed? those you pay to rep you ....rep you. you then are considered to act for them, and on there behalf, even without knowing every nuk and crann
mitchell started investigation in 03 to see what he found...they werent supposed "to look in the past, as another testifying befor that panel once said" but micthell did look in the past.
anyhow, 2002 andy admitted hgh use. is it possible that mac obtained hgh form radom, and gave them to andy. that was found out after radom flipped. and the feds assumed clemens was involved and set out to, as mac says, get roger?
yep, it is possible....say it tin! it is possible.
"when roid use is made public....it should be reported on" mitchell
What about PEREZ and CRAWFORD???
question to mitch. "how was players response to your investigation??"
mitchell..."the union wasnt very cooperative"
"players were forced to go to an interview (WHICH THE PA FORBADE) to see evidence against them"
mitrchell "i did not communicate with any player directly!!
clemens fired mac 2 mos. prior to his "interview" with feds...then feds and irs
HAHAHA
Mitchell asked a former player he admitted to buyin roids and not using them ....FOR CORRABORATING EVIDENCE....whoaaa....wow!!
a-rod opts out....or his agent did the deed? those you pay to rep you ....rep you. you then are considered to act for them, and on there behalf, even without knowing every nuk and crann
mitchell started investigation in 03 to see what he found...they werent supposed "to look in the past, as another testifying befor that panel once said" but micthell did look in the past.
anyhow, 2002 andy admitted hgh use. is it possible that mac obtained hgh form radom, and gave them to andy. that was found out after radom flipped. and the feds assumed clemens was involved and set out to, as mac says, get roger?
yep, it is possible....say it tin! it is possible.
"when roid use is made public....it should be reported on" mitchell
What about PEREZ and CRAWFORD???
question to mitch. "how was players response to your investigation??"
mitchell..."the union wasnt very cooperative"
"players were forced to go to an interview (WHICH THE PA FORBADE) to see evidence against them"
mitrchell "i did not communicate with any player directly!!
clemens fired mac 2 mos. prior to his "interview" with feds...then feds and irs
HAHAHA
Mitchell asked a former player he admitted to buyin roids and not using them ....FOR CORRABORATING EVIDENCE....whoaaa....wow!!
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