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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:17 pm

Donnelly, Gagne, Vaughn
As well as other former Sox players are named so knock off the foolishness, READ the report, READ about Pettitte and Rocket,,, this has less to do with Mitchell than it does with Radomski (sp?) he really makes the late 90's early 00's Yankees look bad, yet SO WHAT, as Mitchell stated, there are alot of names hat are as of yet unknown and will eventually ome out, be it through other investigations or drug testing. NOW CAN WE MOVE ON!!!!!


Is Mitchell supposed to fabricate names?


The only two that look "bad" are Clemens, and it's obvious Clemens was using long before he even met the guy as he had his own crap and Stanton. They point to him "remembering" once using something ON Pettitte....while with Houston.

Knobs in his last year. Justice in his last year. Etc, etc.....

Again, this doesn't make anyone look bad. It's based on 2 people, and is probably only a shred of things that went on.

The man focuses his report in NY. I mean come on.

Maybe he shouldnt be naming names if he knows he didnt cover all his bases.

I have no problem with who he named. What i have a problem with is who he didnt, and why the investigation did not go past the few sources he had.

As expected, this is very less than complete in any way, and therefore is unreliable aside from saying "roids were a prob". Yea no kidding, and to name a few names for the sake of naming them.

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:18 pm

213-118

That's Roger before 98.

he still gets in the H.O.F period.

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:21 pm

Stop harping on the Yankees

One main reason you see quite a few of them in the report is due to the fact that Brian McNamee worked for the Yankees and he just so happens to be one of the main people Mitchell interviewed.

Unfortunately for us all, just like roaches, for every one guy we know about there are probably many more out there. If Selig and the Players Association don't approve non-scheduled tests and more stringent testing this will all be in vain.


Full list here

Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan

Section IX. B."Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball"

Rick Ankiel, Paul Byrd, Jay Gibbons, Troy Glaus, Jose Guillen, Jerry Hairston, Jr., Gary Matthews, Jr., and Scott Schoeneweis, and former players David Bell, Jose Canseco, Jason Grimsley, Darren Holmes, John Rocker, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, and Steve Woodard

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:26 pm

Where Arod, Jeter Bernie Williams, Mariano?

I don't see their names?

Did I missed something that Clemens was brought up from Yankees Farm system? I don't think so, He was from Boston Redsox Organization...

David Justice was from Atlanta Braves Organization. Same with Mike Stanton

Chuck Knoblauch was from Twins Organization.

Everyone is blaming Yankees all the time.

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:29 pm

Looks like the Yankees' 1996 WS was clean


None of the named Yankees started using till 1998, and that was only 1 player.

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:34 pm

Mitchell hid Sox names

And compromised his integrity, positions in life, and respect in our free world.

For The Red Sox.



Kurkjian was on ESPN a few minutes ago and said that their residents lawyers felt there was too much hearsay in the report, and to expect a very strong fight from the MLBPA. Gammons was also on earlier and said that Radmonski told Mitchell that he couldn't even remember what some of the checks were for.




Who would've thunk it?

Gimme a break.



Where Arod, Jeter Bernie Williams, Mariano?

I don't see their names?

Did I missed something that Clemens was brought up from Yankees Farm system? I don't think so, He was from Boston Redsox Organization...

David Justice was from Atlanta Braves Organization. Same with Mike Stanton

Chuck Knoblauch was from Twins Organization.

Everyone is blaming Yankees all the time. Not Redsox....

Mitchell is stubling all over his words after asking about his "bias"

is it really that surprising that 2 of the 4 big names currently out are yankees?

can a yankees director do a steroid report on curt schilling, ortiz, and ramirez?

im sure mitchell released a BS redsox role player to make it look unbiased





The only two that look "bad" are Clemens, and it's obvious Clemens was using long before he even met the guy as he had his own crap and Stanton. They point to him "remembering" once using something ON Pettitte....while with Houston.

Knoblauch in his last year. Justice in his last year. Etc, etc.....

Again, this doesn't make anyone look bad. It's based on 2 people, and is probably only a shred of things that went on.


Mitchell focuses his report in NY. I mean come on.

Maybe he shouldnt be naming names if he knows he didnt cover all his bases.

I have no problem with who he named. What i have a problem with is who he didnt, and why the investigation did not go past the few sources he had.

As expected, this is very less than complete in any way, and therefore is unreliable aside from saying "roids were a prob". Yea no kidding, and to name a few names for the sake of naming them.


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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:50 pm

Mets Real 2000 Champions

game 1 Pettitte (steroid user) vs Al leiter. Winner was? Stanton (steroid user)

game 2 Clemens (steroids) vs Mike Hampton. Clemens wins.

game 3 Rick Reed vs Orland Hernandez. Franco wins.

game 4 Denny Neagle (steroids) vs Bobby Jones. Nelson wins.

game 5 Pettitte (steroids) vs Al Leiter. Stanton wins (steroids).


Only one pitcher involved with the Yankees Cheated during that time.


try again.




It's funny how all the steroids came from the METS CLUBHOUSE. Radomski was Mets Clubhouse attendant who gave Mcnamee all these HGH and Steroids.

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:56 pm

Mitchell says the players shouldn’t be punished … Clemens used the juice in Toronto with Jose Canseco … Pettitte used HGH to rehab his elbow in 2002. … The only notable current players named are Pettitte and Tejada and that’s for HGH use several years ago.

The MLBPA will savage this report. Savage it.

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:04 pm

Official Mitchell Report List


http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

thanks PBSG,

The complete list:

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Garry Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody Mckay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christanson
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier Logan
Daniel Naulty
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillien
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoeneweis
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard



You just KNOW that suspicious important Red Sox players weren't investigated into further. What a crock of shit.


No Varitek...

Maybe it was a cover up.

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:08 pm

Official Mitchell Report List


http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

thanks PBSG from Espn Boards

The complete list:

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Garry Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody Mckay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christanson
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier Logan
Daniel Naulty
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillien
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoeneweis
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard



It's suspicious that Red Sox players weren't investigated into further. What a crock of shit.


No Varitek?...

Hmmm, Maybe it was a cover up?

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:15 pm

Pettitte's roid use:



Quote:
From April 21 to June 14, 2002, Pettitte was on the disabled list with elbow
tendonitis.395 McNamee said that Pettitte called him while Pettitte was rehabilitating his elbow
in Tampa, where the Yankees have a facility, and asked again about human growth hormone.
Pettitte stated that he wanted to speed his recovery and help his team.
McNamee traveled to Tampa at Pettitte’s request and spent about ten days
assisting Pettitte with his rehabilitation. McNamee recalled that he injected Pettitte with human
growth hormone that McNamee obtained from Radomski on two to four occasions. Pettitte paid
McNamee for the trip and his expenses; there was no separate payment for the human growth
hormone.
According to McNamee, around the time in 2003 that the BALCO searches
became public, Pettitte asked what he should say if a reporter asked Pettitte whether he ever used
performance enhancing substances. McNamee told him he was free to say what he wanted, but
that he should not go out of his way to bring it up. McNamee also asked Pettitte not to mention
his name. McNamee never discussed these substances with Pettitte again.
After the 2001 season, Pettitte, like Clemens, continued to use McNamee’s
services and to serve as a source of income after McNamee was dismissed by the Yankees. In a
2006 article, Pettitte “acknowledged an ongoing relationship” with McNamee. Pettitte was
quoted as having said that he still talked to McNamee about once a week. “Mac has trained me
professionally for a long time, and I’ll continue to use Mac,” Pettitte said.396
In order to provide Pettitte with information about these allegations and to give
him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.


WOW

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:17 pm

Andy needs your support



lol...

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=mlb&id=nyy&tid=2040520&lid=4

- "I don't think so. Honestly, I think the Yankees need to step up and defend Andy Pettitte. Knowing Andy's personality, this is probably extremely embarrassing for him, and I wouldn't be surprised if he just suddenly decided to retire. I think it is ridiculous that they're using Andy's star name and making him out to be a criminal. He used HGH for what...a period of 2-3 months, no more than 2 or 3 times! I don't think that turned him into Superman. I wish the Yanks would issue a statement saying how much they appreciate Andy Pettitte's commitment to the team. Andy just needs somebody in his corner right now. "

- "Was HGH on the banned substance list when Pettitte used it?"

another goodie. . . .

"I think Major League baseball needs to issue a statement and go on the record stating that all players who used HGH prior to 2005 were not cheating, did not break any rules, and will not be suspended."

- "Pettite was quoted as saying, "I need to get back and help my team" and not "I need to strikeout juiced players." Pettite gets a pass in my book"

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:19 pm

Names in the Mitchell report

By Yahoo! Sports Staff
December 13, 2007

Major League Baseball players with links to performance-enhancing substances named in the Mitchell report.
View the report (PDF)

NEW NAMES

Chad Allen
Mike Bell
Gary Bennett
Larry Bigbie
Kevin Brown
Alex Cabrera
Mark Carreon
Jason Christiansen
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Jack Cust
Brendan Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Matt Franco
Eric Gagne
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Todd Hundley
Mike Judd
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Nook Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Jim Parque
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Stephen Randolph
Adam Riggs
Armando Rios
Brian Roberts
F.P. Santangelo
Mike Stanton
Ricky Stone
Miguel Tejada
Ismael Valdez
Mo Vaughn
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina
Rondell White
Jeff Williams
Matt Williams
Todd Williams
Steve Woodard
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun

PREVIOUSLY LINKED

Manny Alexander
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Ricky Bones
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Paxton Crawford
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estalella
Ryan Franklin
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Juan Gonzalez
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Darren Holmes
Ryan Jorgensen
Gary Matthews Jr.
Rafael Palmeiro
John Rocker
Benito Santiago
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde

Updated on Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 3:21 pm, EST


source - Yahoo sports

Kevin Brown roid rage

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:23 pm

PROOF of PETITE'S INNOCENCE

What happened was Andy saw Clemens getting roids injected in his ass from far away. Andy mistakenly though the trainer was putting " something else " in Roger's ayss. So when the trainer came over to Andy, Petite told him to please put " that " in my ass as well.

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Comments (26)
Posted by Chip | December 13, 2007 15:49

I will still consider Andy a great guy and an all-time Yankee, but this one hurts. The others, I really don't care that much. Given the injury histories for some (White, Brown) you could make the assumptions - Knobby is a little surprising, but other than that no one really jumped out at me.

I wonder if McGwire NOT being in the report helps him with Hall voters next year.


Posted by Mike from Jersey | December 13, 2007 15:51

Still looking through this report for any Red Sox players of any significance other than "They found something in their car". What a bunch of crap.

Mitchell is protecting his own. Typical Bosox smokescreen garbage.

Why am I not surprised?


Posted by Rick Keyes | December 13, 2007 15:56

Let's see....lots of Yankees and no Red Sox players and Red Sox Director Mitchell wrote the report? Hmmmmm!!!


Posted by Michael PTRS | December 13, 2007 15:59

Christ Rick WHO CARES

I'm not concerned about what any players who are not Yankees did or did not do.

Does it make it any easier if Papi WAS on this list?

How exactly does that change the fact that Andy IS on it?

You look really desperate.


Posted by Rick Keyes | December 13, 2007 16:00

No, Mitchell is the one that is desperate!


Posted by Michael PTRS | December 13, 2007 16:01

What do they call that river in Egypt?


Posted by Anonymous | December 13, 2007 16:05

Andy took HGH for an elbow injury, that's it. Let's get real.


Posted by Michael Pastore | December 13, 2007 16:06

You guys are on drugs!!!!
This was not a Yankee thing it was a baseball thing. Clemens brought that scumbag to the Yankees but ANDY & the others did it of there own free will. TORRE is just as much to blame because if you do not think he new you are all smoking crack. He should of gotten rid of him as a trainer right away but he did not.


Posted by Anonymous | December 13, 2007 16:06

ABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL INVESTIGATION:

In all, there are 12 past and present Mets named.

Fifteen past and present Yankees are on the list. Former Yankees Kevin Brown, Mike Stanton, Rondell White, Glenallen Hill, Chuck Knoblauch and David Justice are among those implicated in the report.

In total, the report names more than 75 players, both past and present. The report is 409 pages followed by four appendixes, including copied checks and FedEx receipts.

There are also no prominent Red Sox players mentioned in the report, which is at least somewhat curious because Mitchell refused to resign from his role as part of the Red Sox management team during this investigation.

COME ON, DON'T BE NAIVE PEOPLE. SELIG NEEDS TO RESIGN.


Posted by Yankee Bri | December 13, 2007 16:08

the all encompassing list:

According to the Mitchell Commission report, here are players mentioned and how they are linked to performance enhancing substances:

Information Learned During this Investigation Concerning BALCO and Major League Baseball (8 players/ 3 active in MLB in 2007)
From the report: "I requested interviews of all the major league players who had been publicly implicated in the BALCO case."

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde


Information Regarding Purchases or Use of Performance Enhancing Substances by Players in Major League Baseball (53 players/ 18 active in MLB in 2007)
From the report: "The following discussion is organized in roughly chronological order. Records do not exist to document every transaction described by witnesses. [Kirk] Radomski stated that, with one exception noted below, the payments he received from professional baseball players were for performance enhancing substances, as opposed to personal training or other services, and this assertion was confirmed by those players who agreed to speak with us about their dealings with him."

Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagné
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier "Nook" Logan


Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball (16 players, 8 active in MLB in 2007)
From the report: "Since the initial news reports of the raid by New York and Florida law enforcement officials on Signature Pharmacy and several rejuvenation centers, the names of several current and former major league players have appeared in the media as alleged purchasers of performance enhancing substances through these operations. These include:"

Rick Ankiel
Paul Byrd
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Scott Schoeneweis
David Bell
Jose Canseco
Jason Grimsley
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard


Posted by Rick Keyes | December 13, 2007 16:08

Phucker

You don't get IT. I'm not disputing or in denial of the Yankees on the list. Most don't surprise me at all. It's the Mitchell FACT that there are NO Red Sox players on there at all. That's PURE POPPYCOCK!!! And you know it.


Posted by Anonymous | December 13, 2007 16:09

Out of 75 there are 27 New York players...

BUT NO RED SOX????

How about Ortiz? Manny? Schilling?

Give me a f**king break, Mitchell -- you cheating motherf**ker.


Posted by Gil L | December 13, 2007 16:09

several observations:

1) we as yankee fans cannot indulge in the same double standard used by SF giants fans re bonds. just because one of our favorites is written there doesn't mean it's time to circle the wagons.
andy's mention hurts, and i don't think we can exonarate just because in our heart he is a true yankee and so on. same standard should apply to all.
2) speaking of the giants, was anyone there not on drugs??? they are the SF balcos... i mean, as if that team wasn't pathetic enough...
3) love him or not, i think it's great news not seeing a-rod's name on the list. not that i ever anticipated that. unlike the other cheaters he never experienced a growth spurt of any kind - not physical nor in power numbers - he was pretty much raking from day one...
just think of this, amid this horrid report: in 6-8 years, atop the all time HR list will be a player as clean as we can have this day and age, erasing the sham that is bonds, and he'll be wearing pinstripes. and the holiest of records in american sports will be back in grace and belong to the only team that should have had it to begin with.


Posted by Smoking Crack PTRS | December 13, 2007 16:11

Pastore

The players don't inject themselves in the club house.

Bringing Torre into this is crazier than Rick's ranting.

Again assigning blame here accomplishes what exactly?


Posted by Anonymous | December 13, 2007 16:11

Phil....Go read the report you ignorant moron.

Ireland....If you do not know who Mitchell is than I guess this arguement is over. He is a two time senator. He went to Ireland and solved a WAR !!!! He is a Catholic that put his religion behind him for the greater good, yet he is going to screw the Yankees b/c he is from New England ?????? Get a clue.

America is now LAUGHING at the Yanks!!! CHEATERS

GIVE BACK THE RINGS !!!

CLEMENS ~ PETTITE in 00 took shots in the a^^ before work out in the playoffs.......

STEROID FACTORY IN THE BRONX !!!

***Mike Francessa is the biggest Yank fan in the world and now says the 00 ring is tainted over the Mets!

*****


Posted by Anonymous | December 13, 2007 16:13

RICK,

You are definitely right in your suspicion. This is a witch hunt plain and simple. The Yankees and Mets were targets while the biggest abusers -- the Red Sox -- are walking away unblemished. This is outrageous. Mitchell is a disgraceful cheat.

Oh and notice how much emphasis Mitchell placed on Clemens? Why? Because of his association with the Yankees.


Posted by Phil | December 13, 2007 16:14

Mitchell based his whole report on one dealer and one trainer. For this we should say that he helped clean up baseball? Please this report is incomplete and full of holes. I am not amazed that the Yankees have taken the biggest hit. McAmee was their trainer and he named players on his team. What a shock.


Posted by Rick Keyes | December 13, 2007 16:14

Right on Anon!


Posted by Yankee Bri | December 13, 2007 16:14

funny how there isn't a single name on this list (other than Clemens or Pettitte) that will spark debate. The rest are either obvious users or "who cares" types of players. Only Andy + Roger will get pounded on this (maybe Tejada a little) ... and the only other guy w/ explaining to do might be Brian Roberts (a good player).

Honestly, could you care less about the rest on this list??? Lo Duca? Gary Matthwes? Glaus? Nook Logan??? Puh-lease.

Pettitte and Clemens better put their bio-hazzard suits on.


Posted by Smoking Crack PTRS | December 13, 2007 16:15

How do you "SOLVE" a war exactly?


Posted by Rick Keyes | December 13, 2007 16:16

Bri

That was Mitchell's whole intent...for YANKEE players to have to put their bio-hazzard suits on!


Posted by Anonymous | December 13, 2007 16:17

Anyone who believes Mitchell didn't cheat by ignoring the Red Sox is totally ignorant -- a true moron. Get a clue after getting a brain.


Posted by Anonymous | December 13, 2007 16:21

GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU MAKE JUDGEMENTS:

Pettitte, according to the report, first asked McNamee about human growth hormone during the 2001-02 off-season and McNamee said he discouraged him. But Pettitte experienced an elbow injury early the next season and asked McNamee again about HGH.

I REPEAT IT WAS DURING THE 2001-02 SEASON -- NOT 2000 against the Mets.


Posted by Yankee Bri | December 13, 2007 16:22

2 weeks and this blows over ... Clemens slinks away and winds up in the same debate as Bonds over the HOF ... both were ABSOLUTELY DOMINANT players BEFORE any HGH/steroid suspicion came into play so how much do you discount against them??? Personally, I'd vote both in.

As for Andy ... I have to believe that he will come out swinging and defend himself. he's not stupid and I don't think he subjects himself to another year w/ Yanks (regardless of the money) if he KNEW he was going to be implicated. Remember, Mitchell reached out to every player to get their "side" of things and most denied the meeting. So, Andy knew for sure he was going to be named and he could have easily opted for retirement ... my sense is that he has an explanation for everything (whether it's solid or not remains to be seen)


Posted by Anonymous | December 13, 2007 16:23

Anonymous,

Mitchell didn't cheat because he was from New England. He cheated because the the Red Sox DIRECTOR. Get a clue. You sound terribly foolis
h.

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Major Red Sox Player named....

In June 2000, state police in Boston discovered steroids and hypodermic needles
in the glove compartment of a vehicle belonging to a Boston Red Sox infielder;

lol.. It's that Manny Alexander?

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Yankees won in 96 and 98 without him.

1998 was the best team ever and we didn't need some cheating Clemens.

Clemens only came here because he couldn't get a ring elsewhere. He's the reason we didn't sweep Boston in 99 and almost cost us the 00 ALDS.

In a big game, I wanted Cone or El Duque. Then Wells or Pettitte. Clemens wasn't the guy I wanted.

Plus he was always a phony.



you're biased to Clemens sorta like I suppose I am slightly to Pettitte.

I'm just glad all this Clemens stuff is coming out tho because I've waited a while for this. Couldn't stand the guy.

If this happened to Bernie, Mo, or Jeter...I'd lose a lot of respect for them...but it didn't happen to them.

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More Clemens steroids rumors


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/em_swift/11/01/clemens.real/index.html

Cloud of suspicion
Did Clemens use steroids? There's smoke but no proof


Posted: Wednesday November 1, 2006 2:40PM; Updated: Wednesday November 1, 2006 4:39PM




I recently mentioned to a colleague that Roger Clemens' extraordinary record since turning 35 -- the 44-year-old Clemens has gone 156-58 since 1997 and has won four Cy Young Awards -- was every bit as suspicious as Barry Bonds' power surge.

My colleague, a Clemens fan, pointed out that Clemens never tested positive for any performance-enhancing drugs (neither has Bonds), and that Hank Aaron, too, enjoyed great success late in his career. "Was he juiced too?" he asked.

I suppose the question was rhetorical. No one really believes that Aaron took steroids, but I did some research anyway. Anabolic steroids have been around since the 1930s, so it's at least conceivable that Aaron had access to them. But it wasn't until East German scientists started surreptitiously supplying anabolic steroids to their Olympic athletes in the late 1960s that it was discovered that steroids in large doses significantly improved athletic performance in sports beside weightlifting.

It's not clear when steroids first made their way into baseball, which didn't test for performance-enhancing drugs until 2003. But it's reasonably safe to conclude that it wasn't until the mid-1980s. So I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Aaron, who retired in 1976, was clean. In terms of pure numbers, Aaron hit 245 of his 755 home runs after his 35th birthday -- 32 percent of his record total. Bonds has hit 289 of his 734 homers since turning 35 -- 39 percent, a rate that will rise since he's still active. Clemens, who between 1993-96 was only 40-39 for a Red Sox team that went 305-278 over the same span, has picked up a stunning 43.5 percent of his wins since turning 35. That's quite something for a power pitcher.

Is it proof he took steroids? Of course not. But two questionable characters crossed paths with Clemens around the time of the remarkable turnaround in his career. The first was Jose Canseco, the Johnny Appleseed of steroids in Major League Baseball, who spread word of their magic wherever he went and was a teammate of Clemens' on the Red Sox in '96. Here's what Canseco wrote in his tell-all steroid-ography Juiced:

"One of the benefits of steroids is that they're especially helpful in countering the effects of aging. So in Roger's case, around the time he was leaving the Boston Red Sox -- and Dan Duquette, the general manager there, was saying he was 'past his prime' -- Roger decided to make some changes. He started working out harder. And whatever else he may have been doing to get stronger, he saw results."

The second person who came into Clemens' life in that period was the strength and conditioning coach of the Toronto Blue Jays, a young man named Brian McNamee, who has been his personal trainer ever since.

George Mitchell, who's investigating drug use in major league baseball for commissioner Bud Selig, will, I assume, be talking to both Clemens and McNamee. That's because Clemens was one of six players who were linked to performance-enhancing drugs in a lengthy search-warrant affidavit signed by IRS special agent Jeff Novitzky, summarizing an interview federal agents had conducted with former Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher Jason Grimsley, as reported by the Los Angeles Times last month. Novitzky was also the lead agent in the BALCO investigation.

Grimsley was cooperating with investigators after they had allegedly intercepted a shipment of human growth hormone, HGH, that was sent to his home in Scottsdale, Ariz., in April. A 15-year veteran, Grimsley also identified, according to the Times, Miguel Tejada, Brian Roberts and Jay Gibbons as former teammates who had used steroids. Grimsley admitted using HGH, steroids and amphetamines -- he credited McNamee for pointing him to an amphetamine supplier -- and said that before last season, amphetamines ("greenies") were widely available in major league clubhouses.

"Grimsley stated that until last year, Major League clubhouses had coffee pots labeled 'leaded' and 'unleaded' for the players, indicating coffee with amphetamines and without," Novitzky wrote in his sworn affidavit.

Since the well-traveled Grimsley, who has since hired a lawyer and stopped cooperating with investigators, played for seven teams in his career -- the Phillies, Indians, Angels, Yankees, Royals, Orioles and Diamondbacks -- that should give Senator Mitchell plenty of people to interview. Amphetamines, of course, are a controlled substance, and to distribute them in coffee pots, or by any other method without a doctor's prescription, is illegal.

Is Grimsley a credible source, and where is Novitzky's investigation heading? Well, to me the Grimsley affidavit is credible. (You can read the redacted version in its entirety, with names removed, here.) He had not yet lawyered up, and was cooperating in order to avoid being embarrassed at his home in front of his family and houseguests. Since that interview, the search warrant has been served on Grimsley. Separately, according to a source who used to work with McNamee, federal investigators have pursued a money trail through computer files that have led them directly back to Clemens and teammate Andy Pettitte, who also employed McNamee as his personal trainer. The noose has tightened, according to the source, and it will all come out before long.

We'll see. Maybe I've got it all wrong. Maybe I'm unnecessarily suspicious of a future Hall of Famer and an entire generation of Major League Baseball players. This is the great price the sport will pay for not testing for drugs all those years. Clemens never tested positive for a drug test? Of course he didn't. Neither did Canseco, for heaven's sake, who freely admits to having used them. Or Mark McGwire. Or Sammy Sosa. Or Bonds.

So which among them truly deserves to be in the Hall of Fame?

Maybe George Mitchell will tell us.

The guy makes some interesting points. We all talk about Bonds and wonder how he gets so great when he's 35 well since turning 35 in 1997 . Roger has gone 156-58 and won 4 Cy Youngs.

Clemens went 40-39 from 93-96 then that same offseason Boston gets rid of him. Clemens is obviously insulted so decides to work out harder and gets a new personal trainer. This guy happens to named Brian McNamee who was a conditioning coach with Toronto at the time Clemens became a Jay and since 97, he's been Clemens personal trainer. That same guy is also the guy involved with Grimsley in the HGH stuff.

Honestly though, we'll likely never know for sure whether Clemens or others really cheated, but I wouldn't be surprised. All this being said, people will believe what they want to believe. Clemens supporters won't believe it at all. Clemens haters already assume he used something.

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What a pile of manure that "article" is.

1. Clemens never got better. He had 2 great years in Toronto, but while he was here he consistently put up ERAs near 4. W-L isn't very important - playing for a team like the Yankees got him tremendous run support. He has looked like Clemens of old in Houston because the National League has too many pathetic 7-man lineups.

2. Bonds never had a power surge outside of 2001. His power numbers after 2001 were the same as they were before 2001.

3. McNamee is irrelevant. He supplied Grimsley with greenies? So what? Players have been using greenies for decades and many clubhouses around the league used to have coffee cups labeled "leaded" and "unleaded." If Clemens used greenies, he's no different than probably most of the players in the game. What's next? Ban Red Bull or Gatorade?

4. Jose Canseco is a moron looking for attention.

5. This article didn't stir up any more rumors. Everything in there that was factual has already been well-documented.

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THE fake ring state
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So, your Pats have three fake spygate rings.

You redsocks have 2 fake rings given Clemmens pitched for you among very many other steroid and HGH abusers.

must you cheat at everything?
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So, your Pats have three fake spygate rings.

You redsocks have 2 fake rings given Clemmens pitched for you among very many other steroid and HGH abusers.

must you cheat at everything?

Let me guess, PhD student from U of M right? which gives you an equivalent of a 4th grade education in Mass.

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the bitter pill of jealousy...
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you are such a hommer...name one player that helped win the red sox a world series ring?
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So, your Pats have three fake spygate rings.

You redsocks have 2 fake rings given Clemmens pitched for you among very many other steroid and HGH abusers.

must you cheat at everything?


what about the B's championship in the early 70's?
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I had to laugh last night when it was reported that the Jets were caught cheating last year and the whole spy-gate crap was retribution for the Pats catching the Jets cheating.
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You redsocks have 2 fake rings given Clemmens pitched for you among very many other steroid and HGH abusers.

I sincerely hope that this is a joke.
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So, your Pats have three fake spygate rings.

You redsocks have 2 fake rings given Clemmens pitched for you among very many other steroid and HGH abusers.

must you cheat at everything?



At least spell names correctly. Clemens wasn't on EITHER championship team numbnuts. As for the Pats, I guess having three "fake rings" is better than the zero rings the Lions have. Have fun watching the Lions lose out.
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and unfortunately for us, your mom cheated when trying the coat hanger next day trick...



lmao..almost fell out of my chair after reading that.
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So, your Pats have three fake spygate rings.

You redsocks have 2 fake rings given Clemmens pitched for you among very many other steroid and HGH abusers.

must you cheat at everything?



At least spell names correctly. Clemens wasn't on EITHER championship team numbnuts. As for the Pats, I guess having three "fake rings" is better than the zero rings the Lions have. Have fun watching the Lions lose out.


Not to mention that the Mitchell Report implies that he didn't start using until after he left Boston

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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:55 pm

Brandon isn't a big name like Pettite or Clemens. Brandon was like a toss in just so he won't show his bias connections with the red sox. Gagne sucks so he is another toss in on the list. Basically this report didn't say anything we didn't already know, Tejada,Gagne,Bonds,Sheff, the only twist was Andy Pettite I really did not expect that.
Lets Look At Some Visual Evidence.

First Big Papi
Rookie
http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/david-ortiz-ultra.jpg
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/271029.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934A2752006EF5F0EDCDBEE2C305FCC94D284831B75F48EF45

2007 Big Papi
http://www.prosportspictures.com/images/mlb/boston-red-sox/2007/07-david-ortiz-studio-HY16307.jpg

Big Big Big Body change. Personally I think he used HGH because he got huge out of nowhere. Also In Dominican Republic they give the young players all sorts of things to drink, eat, etc.. to increase their baseball abilities. Big papi even stated that he doesn't know if he used steroids when younger because in DR they gave him so many things that its possible steroids was one of those things given to him. Manny also got huge real huge, but the thing is Manny didn't need steroids he was still a feared hitter. Thats the difference between David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez. Ortiz needed it while Manny didn't.

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Hey just finish reading the Mitchell Report...sigh. 1st of I'm extremely dissapointed in Andy Pettite and the Rocket...more so in Andy. Andy Pettite was my favorite yankee pitcher. 1996-2001 I had fun watching Andy and El Duque,David Cone and Boomer just win game for us and strive in the playoffs. Now I'm here just shocked and dissapointed that Andy even used this crap. Was it for a quick recovery i don't know nobody knows, but i don't condone this. David Justice and Chucky Knoublach wow those are just shockers specially David I really liked him, he was a clutch disciplined player. Well I don't believe the Mitchell Report 100% I think he might be a little too red sox biased....no current red sox player in the report please I know Manny and Ortiz and even Varitek and Schilling have taken steroids at one time. All In All don't let this report tarnish the great Yankee dynasty of the mid-late 90's, Derek Jeter, Mo, Bernie, Posoda, Paulie(did show some roid rage toward the gatorade bottlles and gloves lol), Scott Brosius and so on I strongly believe did not use steroids and should not have there accomplishment tarnished because of 4-5 yankee screw ups!

GO YANKEES 08 WS CHAMPS!!! DEREK JETER MVP!!!

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Jeter, Bernie, O'Neill, Rivera, Tino, Brosius. The real keys to the Championships.

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Yankees 4 Championship is LEGIT

First of all, Clemens was maybe the LEAST important pitcher for the Yanks in the championship years. He was TERRIBLE in the playoffs.

Yankees won a championships without Clemens in 1996 and 1998. Pettite didn't use Hgh till 2002.

Stanton didn't use till he was with the Mets.

David Justice was good, but please, other teams the Yanks faced had steroid guys as well.

The championships were built around legit guys...girardi, rivera, jeter, posada, brosius, oneill, etc. etc.

Those guys were all clean. The yanks had no advantage over other teams ESPECIALLY because Clemens sucked in the playoffs. I agree these guys are cheaters but the Yanks were at no advantage over other teams and their victories were legit. Just like the Sox victories were legit this year even though they probably have steroid users on their roster as well even though they haven't been named.



Pettite use Hgh during 2002 season after experiencing pain on his elbow. Please read Mitchell report. J
According to the report stanton took HGH as a member of the mets not the yankees in 2003


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Post  Admin Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:08 pm

Here's why the Mitchell report is BS


Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriquez, Brady Anderson, Albert Belle, Rapheal Palmeiro & Luis Gonzalez

These guys are NOT part of the 78 names listed. Gimme a f'king break.

but those guys aren't yankees..

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